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Neurable Technology

56 points by boredgamer2 6y ago

staticfloat 6y ago
Wow, I did my undergrad EE with Ramses at UW! Good to see his company seems to be doing well!
synaesthesisx 6y ago
I've met the Neurable guys a couple years ago at a pitch event. I recall seeing a presentation where Ramses controlled a vehicle using the headset as a basic directional input method. I believe they have a unique approach to signal processing which allows them to get good signal:noise compared to most other scalp EEG headsets. It'll be interesting to see what kind of applications they end up heading towards!
KhoomeiK 6y ago
I've compiled a small list of consumer-oriented neurotech startups. Let me know if I'm missing any: https://choosemuse.com/ https://choosemuse.com/ https://www.emotiv.com/ https://www.emotiv.com/ https://www.next-mind.com/ https://www.next-mind.com/ https://www.brainco.tech/ https://www.brainco.tech/ https://neurosity.co/ https://neurosity.co/ https://www.neurable.com/ https://www.neurable.com/ https://www.neuralink.com/ https://www.neuralink.com/
- Endlessly 6y ago
  OpenBCI ?
  - KhoomeiK 6y ago
    I wouldn't really call them a consumer-oriented startup. I left Kernel, OpenBCI, Intheon, g.tec, etc off the list.
raidicy 6y ago
Does anyone know how this hardware stacks up (price/performance) with nuerosity's headset? I'd be interested in code running on events but would like to know how many different event types are these headsets are capable of handling. https://neurosity.co/ https://neurosity.co/
TomMarius 6y ago
So... can anyone here say that these EEG headsets actually work and do something practical? How does it compare to OpenBCI, which has 2 times the number of sensors?
- tdubhro1 6y ago
  Running a PCA on data from 64 node (wet contact, shaved head, lab environment), shows that you basically get one channel of data, there’s virtually zero useful information other than the main wave; you can tell whether the subject is asleep, awake or having a fit with high degree of accuracy, you can accurately classify whether the awake subject is relaxed vs aroused but that’s about it. The claims made for these systems are way beyond anything supported by the data. Would love to be proved wrong by standard, verifiable sourced data and a Jupyter notebook, but I won’t hold my breath.
  - dr_dshiv 6y ago
    Please, someone, please refute this. Please, please let the situation be better than this.
    - breuderink 6y ago
      While it is difficult to get a useful signal out of EEG, a PCA doesn't show that there is only one 'channel'. A lot of interesting signals have very low power. With multiple EEG sensors, one can focus on smaller spatial regions.
  - Amolnar 6y ago
    @Tduhbro A quick google scholar can point you to a ton of material. I recommend https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3304110/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3304110/ PubMed Central (PMC)PubMed Central (PMC) Brain Computer Interfaces, a Review - A review that covers different BCI modalities and their performances. Also I’d recommend using ICA and Loretta through EEG lab to help with any analysis. It will help you identify far more significant signals. https://sccn.ucsd.edu/eeglab/index.php https://sccn.ucsd.edu/eeglab/index.php sccn.ucsd.edusccn.ucsd.edu If you want more information, check out Neurable (feel free to reach out!) on social media (#selflessplug) and the NeuroTechX organization :)
excitedGamer 6y ago
I got to try their VR demo a little while ago - its amazing, I played the entire thing only using my thoughts to trigger actions. Training was really quick and it was weird how natural it was.
eximius 6y ago
Is there any work on long-term implantable technology? Not necessarily cranial, just in general as a precursor. As far as I'm aware, the body eventually rejects or forms limiting scar tissue around pretty much all foreign bodies, with only a few exceptions. Because while I am not going to be signing up for sub-cranial implants any time soon, I could possibly be willing to try sub-dermal if there were promising results.

56 points by boredgamer2 6y ago

Wow, I did my undergrad EE with Ramses at UW! Good to see his company seems to be doing well!

I've met the Neurable guys a couple years ago at a pitch event. I recall seeing a presentation where Ramses controlled a vehicle using the headset as a basic directional input method. I believe they have a unique approach to signal processing which allows them to get good signal:noise compared to most other scalp EEG headsets. It'll be interesting to see what kind of applications they end up heading towards!

KhoomeiK 6y ago

I've compiled a small list of consumer-oriented neurotech startups. Let me know if I'm missing any: https://choosemuse.com/ https://choosemuse.com/ https://www.emotiv.com/ https://www.emotiv.com/ https://www.next-mind.com/ https://www.next-mind.com/ https://www.brainco.tech/ https://www.brainco.tech/ https://neurosity.co/ https://neurosity.co/ https://www.neurable.com/ https://www.neurable.com/ https://www.neuralink.com/ https://www.neuralink.com/

Endlessly 6y ago
OpenBCI ?
- KhoomeiK 6y ago
  I wouldn't really call them a consumer-oriented startup. I left Kernel, OpenBCI, Intheon, g.tec, etc off the list.

raidicy 6y ago

Does anyone know how this hardware stacks up (price/performance) with nuerosity's headset? I'd be interested in code running on events but would like to know how many different event types are these headsets are capable of handling. https://neurosity.co/ https://neurosity.co/

TomMarius 6y ago

So... can anyone here say that these EEG headsets actually work and do something practical? How does it compare to OpenBCI, which has 2 times the number of sensors?

tdubhro1 6y ago
Running a PCA on data from 64 node (wet contact, shaved head, lab environment), shows that you basically get one channel of data, there’s virtually zero useful information other than the main wave; you can tell whether the subject is asleep, awake or having a fit with high degree of accuracy, you can accurately classify whether the awake subject is relaxed vs aroused but that’s about it. The claims made for these systems are way beyond anything supported by the data. Would love to be proved wrong by standard, verifiable sourced data and a Jupyter notebook, but I won’t hold my breath.
- dr_dshiv 6y ago
  Please, someone, please refute this. Please, please let the situation be better than this.
  - breuderink 6y ago
    While it is difficult to get a useful signal out of EEG, a PCA doesn't show that there is only one 'channel'. A lot of interesting signals have very low power. With multiple EEG sensors, one can focus on smaller spatial regions.
- Amolnar 6y ago
  @Tduhbro A quick google scholar can point you to a ton of material. I recommend https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3304110/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3304110/ PubMed Central (PMC)PubMed Central (PMC) Brain Computer Interfaces, a Review - A review that covers different BCI modalities and their performances. Also I’d recommend using ICA and Loretta through EEG lab to help with any analysis. It will help you identify far more significant signals. https://sccn.ucsd.edu/eeglab/index.php https://sccn.ucsd.edu/eeglab/index.php sccn.ucsd.edusccn.ucsd.edu If you want more information, check out Neurable (feel free to reach out!) on social media (#selflessplug) and the NeuroTechX organization :)

excitedGamer 6y ago

I got to try their VR demo a little while ago - its amazing, I played the entire thing only using my thoughts to trigger actions. Training was really quick and it was weird how natural it was.

eximius 6y ago

Is there any work on long-term implantable technology? Not necessarily cranial, just in general as a precursor. As far as I'm aware, the body eventually rejects or forms limiting scar tissue around pretty much all foreign bodies, with only a few exceptions. Because while I am not going to be signing up for sub-cranial implants any time soon, I could possibly be willing to try sub-dermal if there were promising results.