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It's a pretty mentally unhealthy way to live, mostly.

by strofcon 6y ago

RunawayGalaxy 6y ago
Even if it's possible?
- strofcon 6y ago
  I mean, "won't die of old age quite as soon" doesn't equate to "immortal", yea? To be fair though, my comment was way too broad. I should have clarified that I mean a constant, overbearing dread of the prospect of death is super unhealthy. Make life suck, and effectively shortens it in the experience of the scared one. (source: did that for a long time, got healthy, stopped being scared. Sample size of 1. :-D )
modzu 6y ago
said with the entire world cooped up scared in their homes...
- strofcon 6y ago
  Yup, current situation sucks massively. Doesn't change the fact that a disproportionate fear of death is exceedingly unhealthy and robs folks of some of the joy of being alive.
  - aea12 6y ago
    Except nobody said, or even suggested, a fear of dying. Only you did. There's a significant difference between wanting more time to do things and sitting around terrified, and conflating the two is problematic. Reading your siblings, you're projecting your own feelings onto a completely reasonable feeling that most people have: with another hundred years of experience, what's possible?
    - strofcon 6y ago
      Fair enough, I read fear into the parent comment, my apologies. As for projection, not so much - I've not really had any significant fear of death, aside from instinct to avoid certain demise. :-) Instead it's more that I've only ever seen "I'm at peace with the idea of dying" and "desperately clinging to anything that can prolong my life, even if only by a little." Admittedly, that's my anecdotal experience of the people with whom I interact, and I did indeed present a false dichotomy. :-\ Again, my apologies there. In the proper logical sense, "not wanting to die" is only technically negated as "wanting to die". Quite literally the definition of negation - introducing a "not" in front of whatever the thing is. So that's my oops. It's a weird place though, because the negation of "at peace with the idea of dying one day" is "NOT at peace" with the same. Which implies fear. Which... I dunno, I've reached my limit now. :-) Death is a weird concept to consider in a neutral / rational manner, eh?
dwaltrip 6y ago
There are some animals that don't "age" like we do. These animals can live indefinitely, until they are eaten or die in some accidental way. Aging is a set of complex bio-physical-chemical processes. We have actually made a lot of progress in recent decades understanding how this happens. There is no fundamental reason we won't be able to better understand these processes and then mitigate them heavily, if not entirely. Aubrey de Grey is one of the scientists leading these efforts and his work, along with others, is very interesting. It seems to me there is real potential here. There are many difficult hurdles, but I find it plausible we might overcome them to an extent where it is possible to significantly extend the human lifespan. If course, if this actually happens, there will be massive social, political, and economic consequences. I'm not exactly sure how that would play out. I'm a bit of an optimist, so I imagine there would be some sort of new non-dystopic paradigm that arises.
- erpellan 6y ago
  I'm terrified. Imagine the current crop of elderly rich mostly white men in positions of political power. Now imagine they're never going to die or retire. Sounds pretty dystopian to me.
  - dwaltrip 6y ago
    Guillotines would still work, so there's that. But it's true, there is definitely potential for it to go badly.
  - FriendlyNormie 6y ago
    How are there still retards who think “elderly rich mostly white men” run anything and not Jews. Kill yourself, smoothbrain.
  - dependenttypes 6y ago
    Let's not bring race into this. It would be extremely easy to claim that for a lot of other races as well depending on how racist I wanted to sound. Anyway, once they die their children will take over, as it is usual, so nothing will change if they were to just live forever.
twojacobtwo 6y ago
Isn't that the way that every single organism ever has lived?
himinlomax 6y ago
Assuming it is, is it anywhere near the most unhealthy way to live?

It's a pretty mentally unhealthy way to live, mostly.

RunawayGalaxy 6y ago

Even if it's possible?

strofcon 6y ago
I mean, "won't die of old age quite as soon" doesn't equate to "immortal", yea? To be fair though, my comment was way too broad. I should have clarified that I mean a constant, overbearing dread of the prospect of death is super unhealthy. Make life suck, and effectively shortens it in the experience of the scared one. (source: did that for a long time, got healthy, stopped being scared. Sample size of 1. :-D )

modzu 6y ago

said with the entire world cooped up scared in their homes...

strofcon 6y ago
Yup, current situation sucks massively. Doesn't change the fact that a disproportionate fear of death is exceedingly unhealthy and robs folks of some of the joy of being alive.
- aea12 6y ago
  Except nobody said, or even suggested, a fear of dying. Only you did. There's a significant difference between wanting more time to do things and sitting around terrified, and conflating the two is problematic. Reading your siblings, you're projecting your own feelings onto a completely reasonable feeling that most people have: with another hundred years of experience, what's possible?
  - strofcon 6y ago
    Fair enough, I read fear into the parent comment, my apologies. As for projection, not so much - I've not really had any significant fear of death, aside from instinct to avoid certain demise. :-) Instead it's more that I've only ever seen "I'm at peace with the idea of dying" and "desperately clinging to anything that can prolong my life, even if only by a little." Admittedly, that's my anecdotal experience of the people with whom I interact, and I did indeed present a false dichotomy. :-\ Again, my apologies there. In the proper logical sense, "not wanting to die" is only technically negated as "wanting to die". Quite literally the definition of negation - introducing a "not" in front of whatever the thing is. So that's my oops. It's a weird place though, because the negation of "at peace with the idea of dying one day" is "NOT at peace" with the same. Which implies fear. Which... I dunno, I've reached my limit now. :-) Death is a weird concept to consider in a neutral / rational manner, eh?

dwaltrip 6y ago

There are some animals that don't "age" like we do. These animals can live indefinitely, until they are eaten or die in some accidental way. Aging is a set of complex bio-physical-chemical processes. We have actually made a lot of progress in recent decades understanding how this happens. There is no fundamental reason we won't be able to better understand these processes and then mitigate them heavily, if not entirely. Aubrey de Grey is one of the scientists leading these efforts and his work, along with others, is very interesting. It seems to me there is real potential here. There are many difficult hurdles, but I find it plausible we might overcome them to an extent where it is possible to significantly extend the human lifespan. If course, if this actually happens, there will be massive social, political, and economic consequences. I'm not exactly sure how that would play out. I'm a bit of an optimist, so I imagine there would be some sort of new non-dystopic paradigm that arises.

erpellan 6y ago
I'm terrified. Imagine the current crop of elderly rich mostly white men in positions of political power. Now imagine they're never going to die or retire. Sounds pretty dystopian to me.
- dwaltrip 6y ago
  Guillotines would still work, so there's that. But it's true, there is definitely potential for it to go badly.
- FriendlyNormie 6y ago
  How are there still retards who think “elderly rich mostly white men” run anything and not Jews. Kill yourself, smoothbrain.
- dependenttypes 6y ago
  Let's not bring race into this. It would be extremely easy to claim that for a lot of other races as well depending on how racist I wanted to sound. Anyway, once they die their children will take over, as it is usual, so nothing will change if they were to just live forever.

twojacobtwo 6y ago

Isn't that the way that every single organism ever has lived?

himinlomax 6y ago

Assuming it is, is it anywhere near the most unhealthy way to live?