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I thought H-1B was for when one was unable to source enough skilled people locally? If so, it should kinda be self-adjusting if more high skilled people are une

I thought H-1B was for when one was unable to source enough skilled people locally? If so, it should kinda be self-adjusting if more high skilled people are unemployed, right?

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alistairSH 7y ago
That's its stated purpose, which is why you see it mostly used for software and science positions. However, it's been "abused" by large consulting/contracting companies who hire an army of immigrant labor at the low end of market wages. The H1B recipient can't do much about it - they're tied to the employer (and their spouse can't work unless they also get an H1B). Yes, they can move jobs, but it takes legal resources to get the visa moved/re-issued (not sure about the technical details).
- koheripbal 7y ago
  Can confirm. Our requirement to fit the "cannot find American" requirement was to post a tiny ad in a small unknown paper with a ton of requirements that they H1-B we were about to hire didn't himself even really meet. It was HIGHLY abused to just get cheap low-level IT staff. ...like the kinds who confuse Java with Javascript.
  - busterarm 7y ago
    I've worked with a ton of H1B talent in my 20 years or so in the industry and I can count on one hand the number of times that they were an exceptional talent (compared to the rest of industry) that couldn't otherwise be sourced locally. That's true for anybody in any IT position, though, generally. Truly exceptional people are few and far between. Also in those cases those H1B folks were highly paid. No, the vast majority of times I've worked with H1B talent was because they were willing to work hard and for less.
  - ganstyles 7y ago
    IANAL but posting a "tiny ad in a small unknown paper" does not meet this H1B requirement. The requirement itself has many facets, including posting in Sunday editions of widely spread newspapers in the area the job will be, posting with the state workforce agency, and additional requirements that can be met by doing things like holding job fairs. It's a combination of things to help find local talent first. Not making any statements on efficacy, just pointing out that what you said does not meet visa advertisement requirements and anecdotally sounds like the kind of anecdote boomers would FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD: around to try to drum up anti immigrant sentiment.
KorematsuFred 7y ago
Us issues around 500k green cards a year. 85k h1bs are a drop in a bucket compared to that. There are over 1M Indians stuck on gc backlog because of the racist gc caps. Various groups such as cis, fair etc. Want them out and hence these backdoor l Also not even sure what
- dudul 7y ago
  GC caps are not based on race but on citizenship. A GC worker does not obey to the same rules as a H1B worker. A GC worker is not dependent on the company to remain in the country, they do not help companies keep salaries artificially low. A green card holder is essentially a US citizen on the job market (minus DOD clearance and such).
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I thought H-1B was for when one was unable to source enough skilled people locally? If so, it should kinda be self-adjusting if more high skilled people are unemployed, right?

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alistairSH 7y ago

That's its stated purpose, which is why you see it mostly used for software and science positions. However, it's been "abused" by large consulting/contracting companies who hire an army of immigrant labor at the low end of market wages. The H1B recipient can't do much about it - they're tied to the employer (and their spouse can't work unless they also get an H1B). Yes, they can move jobs, but it takes legal resources to get the visa moved/re-issued (not sure about the technical details).

koheripbal 7y ago
Can confirm. Our requirement to fit the "cannot find American" requirement was to post a tiny ad in a small unknown paper with a ton of requirements that they H1-B we were about to hire didn't himself even really meet. It was HIGHLY abused to just get cheap low-level IT staff. ...like the kinds who confuse Java with Javascript.
- busterarm 7y ago
  I've worked with a ton of H1B talent in my 20 years or so in the industry and I can count on one hand the number of times that they were an exceptional talent (compared to the rest of industry) that couldn't otherwise be sourced locally. That's true for anybody in any IT position, though, generally. Truly exceptional people are few and far between. Also in those cases those H1B folks were highly paid. No, the vast majority of times I've worked with H1B talent was because they were willing to work hard and for less.
- ganstyles 7y ago
  IANAL but posting a "tiny ad in a small unknown paper" does not meet this H1B requirement. The requirement itself has many facets, including posting in Sunday editions of widely spread newspapers in the area the job will be, posting with the state workforce agency, and additional requirements that can be met by doing things like holding job fairs. It's a combination of things to help find local talent first. Not making any statements on efficacy, just pointing out that what you said does not meet visa advertisement requirements and anecdotally sounds like the kind of anecdote boomers would FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD: around to try to drum up anti immigrant sentiment.

KorematsuFred 7y ago

Us issues around 500k green cards a year. 85k h1bs are a drop in a bucket compared to that. There are over 1M Indians stuck on gc backlog because of the racist gc caps. Various groups such as cis, fair etc. Want them out and hence these backdoor l Also not even sure what

dudul 7y ago
GC caps are not based on race but on citizenship. A GC worker does not obey to the same rules as a H1B worker. A GC worker is not dependent on the company to remain in the country, they do not help companies keep salaries artificially low. A green card holder is essentially a US citizen on the job market (minus DOD clearance and such).

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