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I honestly do not recognize MBA business decisions as a market decision. It is hard for me to accept that the imposition of those decisions on a captive audienc

I honestly do not recognize MBA business decisions as a market decision. It is hard for me to accept that the imposition of those decisions on a captive audience qualifies as 'market has spoken'. So to answer your question. I don't know. Time will tell.

MattGaiser 7y ago
The success of Ryanair is the market decision.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
  I am willing to give you that. My opinion might be tinged by Frontier experience ( never again ). That and I don't really want airlines approach something along the lines of New Delhi and Rajasthan train. It is possible my personal preference is blinding me a little. Would you accept that Frontier and Ryanair lower the bar and make decision makers at 'established' airlines wonder why can't they do the same?
  - ghaff 7y ago
    >Frontier and Ryanair lower the bar Absolutely. Over the past few decades budget airlines have made it obvious that there's a certain (fairly large) class of passengers who will endure significant inconvenience and discomfort is it saves them a couple of dollars. The traditional airlines certainly have the option to say "Nah, we're not going there." But, for example, business class-only airlines and routes generally haven't worked out for airlines.
ghaff 7y ago
Are you suggesting that many/most people don't buy airline tickets primarily based on price? Airlines would be happy to fly all business class planes if that's what customers wanted. (And it's been tried but mostly isn't what people are willing to pay for.)
- A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
  Price has always been a factor. It is a non-trivial amount for any international travel. The old country business travel can easily reach beyond what is reasonable. And I evaluate my trips based on cost and comfort ( I am way too old now to travel 12+ hours squashed ). But you are, overall, wrong. The goal is, and always has been, milking. Extracting maximum of milk with a minimum of moo. The current breed of travellers are docile and compliant ( I honestly don't know my parents would have been able to pull some of things they did today ). Consumers are idiots. I sometimes wonder if they even saw how things could be.

MattGaiser 7y ago

The success of Ryanair is the market decision.

A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
I am willing to give you that. My opinion might be tinged by Frontier experience ( never again ). That and I don't really want airlines approach something along the lines of New Delhi and Rajasthan train. It is possible my personal preference is blinding me a little. Would you accept that Frontier and Ryanair lower the bar and make decision makers at 'established' airlines wonder why can't they do the same?
- ghaff 7y ago
  >Frontier and Ryanair lower the bar Absolutely. Over the past few decades budget airlines have made it obvious that there's a certain (fairly large) class of passengers who will endure significant inconvenience and discomfort is it saves them a couple of dollars. The traditional airlines certainly have the option to say "Nah, we're not going there." But, for example, business class-only airlines and routes generally haven't worked out for airlines.

ghaff 7y ago

Are you suggesting that many/most people don't buy airline tickets primarily based on price? Airlines would be happy to fly all business class planes if that's what customers wanted. (And it's been tried but mostly isn't what people are willing to pay for.)

A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
Price has always been a factor. It is a non-trivial amount for any international travel. The old country business travel can easily reach beyond what is reasonable. And I evaluate my trips based on cost and comfort ( I am way too old now to travel 12+ hours squashed ). But you are, overall, wrong. The goal is, and always has been, milking. Extracting maximum of milk with a minimum of moo. The current breed of travellers are docile and compliant ( I honestly don't know my parents would have been able to pull some of things they did today ). Consumers are idiots. I sometimes wonder if they even saw how things could be.