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>and make sure not to find work That's just welfare, not UBI. The U stands for Universal, which means it goes to everyone. Not just the poor or unemployed.
by swebs 6y ago
>and make sure not to find work
That's just welfare, not UBI. The U stands for Universal, which means it goes to everyone. Not just the poor or unemployed.
- akvadrako 6y ago> The U stands for Universal The U is better understood as Unconditional. It doesn't go to everybody or everything, but it doesn't get taken away if you stop working. These were used pretty much equally until about 2011, when the less accurate one started taking hold: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2004-04-11%202015-05-11&q=%22Unconditional%20basic%20income%22,%22Universal%20Basic%20Income%22 https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2004-04-11%202...
- goatinaboat 6y agoIt doesn't go to everybody It has to, because one of the selling point of it is the minimal administrative overhead. In the U.K. we have armies of civil servants to administer our hideously complex welfare system. All of them and the costs of employing them have to go to make it affordable. The good news is that they too will get UBI...
- notahacker 6y agoAdministering the welfare system costs orders of magnitude less than paying unconditional living wage to the UK's 8 million economically inactive working age people.
- goatinaboat 6y agounconditional living wage Living wage is shifting the goalposts, anyway it’s a simple calculation, total welfare budget including benefits of all kinds divided by number of adult citizens.
- notahacker 6y agoWhilst there might be disagreements over the actual calculation, both the idea of a living wage and a UBI revolve around the idea of providing an adequate subsistence income for an adult. But if we're determining welfare budget by dividing non-pension benefit spend by number of working age adults, the problem becomes that you're dividing around 130 billion by ~36 million, and whilst that's a welcome top up for some people, there are a lot of people who have just lost their housing benefit and disability benefit that won't be able to live on £4k a year...
- akvadrako 6y agoIt is minimal overhead. All you need to check is someone is a living citizen and their age, because children likely get less.
- ajsnigrutin 6y agoThe problem with "universal" is, that someone with an average paycheck doesn't get anything, because he pays back the same amount he gets in taxes. And the 'average' paycheck is not an 'average' in the term we use now (where we just look at the workers, add up their paychecks and divide by their number), but we also have to add up all the non workers (kids, pensioners, unemployed, studens,...) with "0 EUR" paychecks, and divide by the number of them too, because they'd get UBI too.
- koonsolo 6y ago> The problem with "universal" is, that someone with an average paycheck doesn't get anything, because he pays back the same amount he gets in taxes. If it stays the same for this person, that means he has to pay an extra UBI to receive the UBI. If this person is making basic income right now, he might as wel stop working and still get the basic income, or at least lose less percentage wise when stop working.