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Respectfully, there are a great many things wrong with the opinions in this post. I'll try to address them all with as few words as possible. Chip self relianc

Respectfully, there are a great many things wrong with the opinions in this post. I'll try to address them all with as few words as possible. Chip self reliance is a good thing from a general geo-political standpoint, regardless of China. China's aggression manifests in many covert operations, mainly information warfare. The ruling CCP is diametrically opposed to most Western political and social values and itself feels very threatened by democracy and personal liberty. As such it is working very hard to destabilize the West and expand it's hard and soft power to export its authoritarian model around the world. The end of the American "empire" is hardly guaranteed to happen any time soon, and while some weak willed and naive pseudo-intellectuals may be willing or even eager to roll over and let it die, many others with clear eyes recognize the benefits of your culture and country having power. With power comes wealth. With power comes pride. With power comes influence. And with enough power comes global stability, which is what the US currently provides. Why would anyone in their right mind willingly give up such power? No, we will do everything we can to maintain it because it absolutely has real value that benefits all Americans. Fundamental values, lives, wealth and influence are all at stake here. Those who do not recognize or do not care are fools. Let us hope they never get a hold of power.

setpatchaddress 6y ago
> Those who cannot see that are blind and let's hope they never get a hold of power Um. It’s a little late for that. Seen any news in the last four years?
- forgot_again 6y ago
  Yup, the current administration is doing a fine job. Addressing concrete issues America faces on many fronts.
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remarkEon 6y ago
>The ruling CCP is diametrically opposed to most Western political and social values and itself feels very threatened by democracy and personal liberty. I'd like some folks from China to respond to my comment, to make sure I'm not talking out of my ass, but in discussions with my friends who are from Taiwan or from Guangzhou the Chinese seem perfectly fine with rejecting "Western political and social values" as long as it means stable and consistent security and economic growth. And frankly I don't blame them. There is no physical law that says western democracies == happiness.
- forgot_again 6y ago
  But there is physical law (Newton's First Law) that implies without sufficient checks and balances systems ultimately become dominated by a single force. Regardless, I and many other Americans like our system, so why should we allow to it be threatened by a power hostile to it.
dntbnmpls 6y ago
> The ruling CCP is diametrically opposed to most Western political Communism is a western political system... > and social values They aren't a western nation. Why should they adopt "western social values"? I hope the world wakes up to the sneaky neocolonial war cry - "western values" and stomps it out of existence before it gets out of hand. How about american values for americans, chinese values for chinese, european values for europeans, muslim values for muslims, etc. How about people live under the values they want rather than being forced to adopt an alien and unamerican idea like "western values". > and itself feels very threatened by democracy and personal liberty. What pathetic nonsense. They feel threatened by western aggression. Stop with the propaganda bullshit. They aren't threatend by "democracy" and "personal liberty". They are threatened by people hiding behind "democracy" and "personal liberty" to attack and destabilize them. > As such it is working very hard to destabilize the West and expand it's hard and soft power to export its authoritarian model around the world. It's not china forcing people to adopt their "values". It's the west forcing china and the rest of the world to adopt our "values". It's not china invading and destabilizing most of the world. It's the west that's doing so. > No, we will do everything we can to maintain it because it absolutely has real value that benefits all Americans. The American empire didn't benefit all americans. The american nation did. Nations exist to benefit the people, empires exist to benefit the international elites. The american empire benefited the wealthy international bankers and industrialists. And all empires eventually crumble because money is used for useless wars rather than investing at home. This is a fact of history.
- forgot_again 6y ago
  >"What pathetic nonsense. They feel threatened by western aggression. Stop with the propaganda bullshit. They aren't threatend by "democracy" and "personal liberty". They are threatened by people hiding behind "democracy" and "personal liberty" to attack and destabilize them." The CCP is indeed existentially threatened by freedom and liberty because their absolute rule is predicted on its antithesis. Open your eyes, friend.
  - dntbnmpls 6y ago
    > The CCP is indeed existentially threatened by freedom and liberty because their absolute rule is predicted on its antithesis. The easiest way to spot a propagandist is the use of "CCP", so maybe you should steer clear of that? That's why the "CCP" doesn't allow the chinese to do anything right? Chinese can't travel overseas? Attend universities overseas? Can't work overseas? If "democracy" and "personal liberty" were such a threat why are there so many chinese in american universities? > Open your eyes, friend. Not your friend, pal. Why are you so concerned about the "CCP", buddy? Man, all of a sudden every propagandist seems to be so concerned with the survival of the "CCP".
jmeister 6y ago
This comment is just “Id in a meltdown of nationalistic rage”, to use a phrase from the parent comment. What has China done to the US that makes you so angry? Is it just that Americans need a punching bag to vent their anger at this moment?
- forgot_again 6y ago
  Did you not read the comment? Saying it's "nationalistic rage" frames it as something petty and superficial. How is liberty vs fascism petty or superficial? It's not. Regardless, outside of their ruling ideology their rise doesn't make me angry any more than an athlete's strongest competition makes him angry. There are real, tangible benefits to being on top and there's no reason to give that up. This is a calmly calculated recognition.

setpatchaddress 6y ago

> Those who cannot see that are blind and let's hope they never get a hold of power Um. It’s a little late for that. Seen any news in the last four years?

forgot_again 6y ago
Yup, the current administration is doing a fine job. Addressing concrete issues America faces on many fronts.

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remarkEon 6y ago

>The ruling CCP is diametrically opposed to most Western political and social values and itself feels very threatened by democracy and personal liberty. I'd like some folks from China to respond to my comment, to make sure I'm not talking out of my ass, but in discussions with my friends who are from Taiwan or from Guangzhou the Chinese seem perfectly fine with rejecting "Western political and social values" as long as it means stable and consistent security and economic growth. And frankly I don't blame them. There is no physical law that says western democracies == happiness.

forgot_again 6y ago
But there is physical law (Newton's First Law) that implies without sufficient checks and balances systems ultimately become dominated by a single force. Regardless, I and many other Americans like our system, so why should we allow to it be threatened by a power hostile to it.

dntbnmpls 6y ago

> The ruling CCP is diametrically opposed to most Western political Communism is a western political system... > and social values They aren't a western nation. Why should they adopt "western social values"? I hope the world wakes up to the sneaky neocolonial war cry - "western values" and stomps it out of existence before it gets out of hand. How about american values for americans, chinese values for chinese, european values for europeans, muslim values for muslims, etc. How about people live under the values they want rather than being forced to adopt an alien and unamerican idea like "western values". > and itself feels very threatened by democracy and personal liberty. What pathetic nonsense. They feel threatened by western aggression. Stop with the propaganda bullshit. They aren't threatend by "democracy" and "personal liberty". They are threatened by people hiding behind "democracy" and "personal liberty" to attack and destabilize them. > As such it is working very hard to destabilize the West and expand it's hard and soft power to export its authoritarian model around the world. It's not china forcing people to adopt their "values". It's the west forcing china and the rest of the world to adopt our "values". It's not china invading and destabilizing most of the world. It's the west that's doing so. > No, we will do everything we can to maintain it because it absolutely has real value that benefits all Americans. The American empire didn't benefit all americans. The american nation did. Nations exist to benefit the people, empires exist to benefit the international elites. The american empire benefited the wealthy international bankers and industrialists. And all empires eventually crumble because money is used for useless wars rather than investing at home. This is a fact of history.

forgot_again 6y ago
>"What pathetic nonsense. They feel threatened by western aggression. Stop with the propaganda bullshit. They aren't threatend by "democracy" and "personal liberty". They are threatened by people hiding behind "democracy" and "personal liberty" to attack and destabilize them." The CCP is indeed existentially threatened by freedom and liberty because their absolute rule is predicted on its antithesis. Open your eyes, friend.
- dntbnmpls 6y ago
  > The CCP is indeed existentially threatened by freedom and liberty because their absolute rule is predicted on its antithesis. The easiest way to spot a propagandist is the use of "CCP", so maybe you should steer clear of that? That's why the "CCP" doesn't allow the chinese to do anything right? Chinese can't travel overseas? Attend universities overseas? Can't work overseas? If "democracy" and "personal liberty" were such a threat why are there so many chinese in american universities? > Open your eyes, friend. Not your friend, pal. Why are you so concerned about the "CCP", buddy? Man, all of a sudden every propagandist seems to be so concerned with the survival of the "CCP".

jmeister 6y ago

This comment is just “Id in a meltdown of nationalistic rage”, to use a phrase from the parent comment. What has China done to the US that makes you so angry? Is it just that Americans need a punching bag to vent their anger at this moment?

forgot_again 6y ago
Did you not read the comment? Saying it's "nationalistic rage" frames it as something petty and superficial. How is liberty vs fascism petty or superficial? It's not. Regardless, outside of their ruling ideology their rise doesn't make me angry any more than an athlete's strongest competition makes him angry. There are real, tangible benefits to being on top and there's no reason to give that up. This is a calmly calculated recognition.