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Why aren't those part of the sim?

ericpauley 6y ago
While there is an instrument on panels that shows when turns are coordinated (a turn coordinator), fixating on it isn't really possible, and it's better to develop a feel for what coordinated flight is like, and be able to adjust automatically. Replicating this feeling in a sim is difficult because it's the interactions of motion and rotation that cause flight to be coordinated or not.
- briandear 6y ago
  Vastly disagree. I am an instrument rated pilot about to take a commercial checkride and using the seat of the pants to determine coordination is a very bad idea. The turn coordinator is part of your instrument scan and “stepping on the ball” is a fundamental skill that you learn during primary training. In the clouds, you can be in an uncoordinated turn and not “feel” it because your inner ear is doing one thing, your eyes are doing another and using “feel” is a great way to crash. The FAA specifically advises to not fly by the seat of your pants due to the dangers of spacial disorientation. Teaching pilots to listen at all to physical sensations is teaching them how to die. Not hyperbole, but fact. VFR pilots can and should trust their eyes and look outside, but any CFI trying to train coordination through “feeling” is setting the student up for a very dangerous habit. Your inner ear lies to you. The majority of the airmanship training you get in the instrument rating is designed specifically to teach you how to ignore your body. https://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pilotsafetybrochures/media/SpatialD.pdf https://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pilotsafetybrochures/media... https://www.aviation-accidents.net/tag/spatial-disorientation/ https://www.aviation-accidents.net/tag/spatial-disorientatio...
  - ericpauley 6y ago
    Thanks for the insightful reply, certainly not meaning to diminish the importance of trusting your instruments. For what it's worth, a turn coordinator isn't required equipment for VFR flying, and in either case (whether helpful or harmful), the inability of a simulator to faithfully reproduce turning forces seems like a weakness.

While there is an instrument on panels that shows when turns are coordinated (a turn coordinator), fixating on it isn't really possible, and it's better to develop a feel for what coordinated flight is like, and be able to adjust automatically. Replicating this feeling in a sim is difficult because it's the interactions of motion and rotation that cause flight to be coordinated or not.

briandear 6y ago
Vastly disagree. I am an instrument rated pilot about to take a commercial checkride and using the seat of the pants to determine coordination is a very bad idea. The turn coordinator is part of your instrument scan and “stepping on the ball” is a fundamental skill that you learn during primary training. In the clouds, you can be in an uncoordinated turn and not “feel” it because your inner ear is doing one thing, your eyes are doing another and using “feel” is a great way to crash. The FAA specifically advises to not fly by the seat of your pants due to the dangers of spacial disorientation. Teaching pilots to listen at all to physical sensations is teaching them how to die. Not hyperbole, but fact. VFR pilots can and should trust their eyes and look outside, but any CFI trying to train coordination through “feeling” is setting the student up for a very dangerous habit. Your inner ear lies to you. The majority of the airmanship training you get in the instrument rating is designed specifically to teach you how to ignore your body. https://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pilotsafetybrochures/media/SpatialD.pdf https://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pilotsafetybrochures/media... https://www.aviation-accidents.net/tag/spatial-disorientation/ https://www.aviation-accidents.net/tag/spatial-disorientatio...
- ericpauley 6y ago
  Thanks for the insightful reply, certainly not meaning to diminish the importance of trusting your instruments. For what it's worth, a turn coordinator isn't required equipment for VFR flying, and in either case (whether helpful or harmful), the inability of a simulator to faithfully reproduce turning forces seems like a weakness.