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It's become a well-known catch phrase now. It's only a distraction if you find yourself offended by it, which frankly with everything that's going on right now,

It's become a well-known catch phrase now. It's only a distraction if you find yourself offended by it, which frankly with everything that's going on right now, is pretty thin-skinned.

simonw 6y ago
I stand by my comment. If you want people to read your content, you should avoid phrases like this. Hence why I called it "distracting" - it is.
- echelon 6y ago
  Being offended by things is dangerous to our culture. You can stand up for the rights and freedoms of others without turning your nose. Showing that something doesn't bother you reduces the power bullies and oppressors have over you. You can even reframe it. Make America Socialist Again. See what I did there?
  - simonw 6y ago
    Once again: if you are writing an article about LLVM performance, and you have the choice between the title "Make LLVM fast again" and something else, you will likely have more success with your article if you pick something else. Do you disagree with the advice I'm giving here?
    - snazz 6y ago
      My mind did not immediately jump to MAGA, and I'm an American. It's not a significant issue for most people.
      - simonw 6y ago
        You're the target audience for my comment then! I'm advising writers that some people reading their content may make this association, so they should avoid the phrase unless that is their deliberate intent.
    - StavrosK 6y ago
      I personally don't disagree (and don't like that you're being downvoted for making a point), I just think the delta between the two is so small that it's not even worth discussing, let alone self-censoring for.
    - jcims 6y ago
      You read it despite this sensitivity. What audience are you describing that won't read this based on the title? What is the net loss to the author and to them of them missing out on the content because of their decision? What is the long term implication of developing a social contract that requires you avoid any speech that is similar to any speech of political platforms that some portion, potentially a majority, of your audience opposes? It sounds like a linguistic death spiral to me. Good luck.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    > Being offended by things is dangerous to our culture. You kinda sound offended. Is there a Popperian analogue here, that we must be unoffended by everything but offense itself?
    - echelon 6y ago
      I'm not offended, and I don't mind if I get pushback. This is just where I am in my current understanding of life and things. Hostility breeds hostility. Cultural segregation raises the barrier for empathy. I don't always practice what I preach, though. In a recent thread I admitted a preference for language that puts censors on edge.
      - user982 6y ago
        > I love and appreciate swear words. They're incredibly important as an act of protest and defiance against the prudes and the cultural censors. > The eventual normalization of swear words will show that we have won the battle. As an exercise: Do you love and appreciate racial slurs? Is it incredibly important to use them against those who would take offense at them? Will the normalization of ethnic slurs show that you have won the battle? Why or why not?
        dependenttypes 6y ago
        Language evolves. It is time to accept that certain slurs evolved into just general-purpose insults.
- irishcoffee 6y ago
  "If you want people to read your content, conform." The borg are looking for recruits.
- mirekrusin 6y ago
  It's not just a title, it's what the article is about, making llvm fast again is the whole point of author's effort. He presents reason for regression in this area throughout the time (regressions on compile time are not captured vs ie. regressions on produced binary performance are). This is a problem ie. julia is heavily dependant on llvm compile times and julia authors mention that every time they're bumping llvm version they're scared about how much performance will degrade.
skavi 6y ago
As it currently stands, 15 out of 24 comments in this thread are about the phrasing in the title. It has demonstrably become a distraction, at least in this post.
DagAgren 6y ago
Who are you to call people thin-skinned, when you are not on the receiving end of the hatred represented by that phrase?

It's become a well-known catch phrase now. It's only a distraction if you find yourself offended by it, which frankly with everything that's going on right now, is pretty thin-skinned.

simonw 6y ago

I stand by my comment. If you want people to read your content, you should avoid phrases like this. Hence why I called it "distracting" - it is.

echelon 6y ago
Being offended by things is dangerous to our culture. You can stand up for the rights and freedoms of others without turning your nose. Showing that something doesn't bother you reduces the power bullies and oppressors have over you. You can even reframe it. Make America Socialist Again. See what I did there?
- simonw 6y ago
  Once again: if you are writing an article about LLVM performance, and you have the choice between the title "Make LLVM fast again" and something else, you will likely have more success with your article if you pick something else. Do you disagree with the advice I'm giving here?
  - snazz 6y ago
    My mind did not immediately jump to MAGA, and I'm an American. It's not a significant issue for most people.
    - simonw 6y ago
      You're the target audience for my comment then! I'm advising writers that some people reading their content may make this association, so they should avoid the phrase unless that is their deliberate intent.
  - StavrosK 6y ago
    I personally don't disagree (and don't like that you're being downvoted for making a point), I just think the delta between the two is so small that it's not even worth discussing, let alone self-censoring for.
  - jcims 6y ago
    You read it despite this sensitivity. What audience are you describing that won't read this based on the title? What is the net loss to the author and to them of them missing out on the content because of their decision? What is the long term implication of developing a social contract that requires you avoid any speech that is similar to any speech of political platforms that some portion, potentially a majority, of your audience opposes? It sounds like a linguistic death spiral to me. Good luck.
- klyrs 6y ago
  > Being offended by things is dangerous to our culture. You kinda sound offended. Is there a Popperian analogue here, that we must be unoffended by everything but offense itself?
  - echelon 6y ago
    I'm not offended, and I don't mind if I get pushback. This is just where I am in my current understanding of life and things. Hostility breeds hostility. Cultural segregation raises the barrier for empathy. I don't always practice what I preach, though. In a recent thread I admitted a preference for language that puts censors on edge.
    - user982 6y ago
      > I love and appreciate swear words. They're incredibly important as an act of protest and defiance against the prudes and the cultural censors. > The eventual normalization of swear words will show that we have won the battle. As an exercise: Do you love and appreciate racial slurs? Is it incredibly important to use them against those who would take offense at them? Will the normalization of ethnic slurs show that you have won the battle? Why or why not?
      - dependenttypes 6y ago
        Language evolves. It is time to accept that certain slurs evolved into just general-purpose insults.
irishcoffee 6y ago
"If you want people to read your content, conform." The borg are looking for recruits.
mirekrusin 6y ago
It's not just a title, it's what the article is about, making llvm fast again is the whole point of author's effort. He presents reason for regression in this area throughout the time (regressions on compile time are not captured vs ie. regressions on produced binary performance are). This is a problem ie. julia is heavily dependant on llvm compile times and julia authors mention that every time they're bumping llvm version they're scared about how much performance will degrade.

skavi 6y ago

As it currently stands, 15 out of 24 comments in this thread are about the phrasing in the title. It has demonstrably become a distraction, at least in this post.

DagAgren 6y ago

Who are you to call people thin-skinned, when you are not on the receiving end of the hatred represented by that phrase?