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Steve Jobs mixes garbage, the AppleTV/MobileMe, with things that look pretty but are garbage under the hood, iMac, with things that aren't garbage, iPhone. The

Steve Jobs mixes garbage, the AppleTV/MobileMe, with things that look pretty but are garbage under the hood, iMac, with things that aren't garbage, iPhone. The beauty is that Jobs has created an aura where everything looks like gold.

infinite8s 16y ago
Wow, those are pretty strong words. By what justification do you call AppleTV/MobileMe garbage? Clearly they serve a need for people or they wouldn't be doing so well.
- joebadmo 16y ago
  Not that I agree with the GP, but are they doing well? My understanding was that the ATV wasn't, and that MobileMe was pretty universally reviled.
- kenjackson 16y ago
  I can literally put together a list of problems with them, but honestly would it matter? During the pwn2own discussion on HN people were seriously suggesting that the reason OS X goes down first every year is because it was on the most desired computer. That's like saying the reason that XBox had the RROD is because everyone loves playing it so much -- no manufacturing or design issues. And don't get me wrong, Apple releases some of the best products on the planet. But when they do do something that is subpar, most Apple fans simply see it as those on HN saw pwn2own. AppleTV is decent now, although I still prefer other boxes, but can you honestly say the $299 AppleTV wasn't garbage? Even at $99 the video quality was laughably horrible. Yet most Apple fans will call me a troll or fanboi for even the mere suggestion that AppleTV did not win WWII and kill the nazis.
itg 16y ago
This place is turning as bad as reddit. You can't even discuss technology without some fanboy frothing from his mouth.
- c0nsilience 16y ago
  Learn to read. He was highlighting Jobs' ability to turn admittedly garbage products into gold.
- kenjackson 16y ago
  I agree, and you get metacomments that add absolutely no value to the conversation. And you get upvoted for adding no value, but downvoted for noting it. Gotta love the HN Apple fans.
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infinite8s 16y ago

Wow, those are pretty strong words. By what justification do you call AppleTV/MobileMe garbage? Clearly they serve a need for people or they wouldn't be doing so well.

joebadmo 16y ago
Not that I agree with the GP, but are they doing well? My understanding was that the ATV wasn't, and that MobileMe was pretty universally reviled.
kenjackson 16y ago
I can literally put together a list of problems with them, but honestly would it matter? During the pwn2own discussion on HN people were seriously suggesting that the reason OS X goes down first every year is because it was on the most desired computer. That's like saying the reason that XBox had the RROD is because everyone loves playing it so much -- no manufacturing or design issues. And don't get me wrong, Apple releases some of the best products on the planet. But when they do do something that is subpar, most Apple fans simply see it as those on HN saw pwn2own. AppleTV is decent now, although I still prefer other boxes, but can you honestly say the $299 AppleTV wasn't garbage? Even at $99 the video quality was laughably horrible. Yet most Apple fans will call me a troll or fanboi for even the mere suggestion that AppleTV did not win WWII and kill the nazis.

itg 16y ago

This place is turning as bad as reddit. You can't even discuss technology without some fanboy frothing from his mouth.

c0nsilience 16y ago
Learn to read. He was highlighting Jobs' ability to turn admittedly garbage products into gold.
kenjackson 16y ago
I agree, and you get metacomments that add absolutely no value to the conversation. And you get upvoted for adding no value, but downvoted for noting it. Gotta love the HN Apple fans.

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