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There's still a valid point in there that we should take the underlying need seriously, not the proposed solution of reopening. For example, a solution could b

by lux 6y ago

There's still a valid point in there that we should take the underlying need seriously, not the proposed solution of reopening. For example, a solution could be as simple as America financially supporting its citizens like other countries have done, reducing the desperation that's causing the pressure to reopen sooner than they likely know is safe. Don't make it a lesser of two evils choice in the first place. Reminds me of something I read on here about assuming a strong man version of people's arguments instead of a straw man one. Maybe they're knowingly protesting because they believe those are the only choices they have.

microcolonel 6y ago
> For example, a solution could be as simple as America financially supporting its citizens like other countries have done Money is not nutritious when eaten.
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  I believe the parent's point is this: We need an economy that produces a certain amount of stuff - food, water, electricity, fuel, healthcare. We can't just make that stuff appear by moving or printing money, we have to actually produce the stuff. Now, I know, that was the idea behind "critical infrastructure" - we had to keep those things running, even if we shut down everything else. But the longer we shut down, I suspect the more things we find that are critical. (Made up example: Water is critical, so water treatment is critical, so the chemicals used are critical, so the ingredients to manufacture them are critical, so certain kinds of mining are critical, so eventually mining machinery is critical.)
  - microcolonel 6y ago
    It turns out the majority of things people work on are a critical and fragile component of the supply chain of an essential good or service.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  > Money is not nutritious when eaten. Neither is an empty cupboard, which a lack of money can lead to.
Gibbon1 6y ago
Last night reading about the Great Plague of London. The people of London would have starved to death but because the city bought grain. And the farmers in England continued to carry food to the city even though they weren't being paid. The shutdown skeptics/deniers willfully fail to understand that if the pandemic is allowed to rage unchecked the economy will shut down as people panic. It's telling that at the same time that want indemnity for businesses and organizations that reopen. That's why I say it's willful.

by lux 6y ago

microcolonel 6y ago

> For example, a solution could be as simple as America financially supporting its citizens like other countries have done Money is not nutritious when eaten.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago
I believe the parent's point is this: We need an economy that produces a certain amount of stuff - food, water, electricity, fuel, healthcare. We can't just make that stuff appear by moving or printing money, we have to actually produce the stuff. Now, I know, that was the idea behind "critical infrastructure" - we had to keep those things running, even if we shut down everything else. But the longer we shut down, I suspect the more things we find that are critical. (Made up example: Water is critical, so water treatment is critical, so the chemicals used are critical, so the ingredients to manufacture them are critical, so certain kinds of mining are critical, so eventually mining machinery is critical.)
- microcolonel 6y ago
  It turns out the majority of things people work on are a critical and fragile component of the supply chain of an essential good or service.
ceejayoz 6y ago
> Money is not nutritious when eaten. Neither is an empty cupboard, which a lack of money can lead to.

Gibbon1 6y ago

Last night reading about the Great Plague of London. The people of London would have starved to death but because the city bought grain. And the farmers in England continued to carry food to the city even though they weren't being paid. The shutdown skeptics/deniers willfully fail to understand that if the pandemic is allowed to rage unchecked the economy will shut down as people panic. It's telling that at the same time that want indemnity for businesses and organizations that reopen. That's why I say it's willful.