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> Going to break a little bit of a lance in defence of 'scienticism' in a mild sense given that a lot of the comments here overwhelmingly agree with the piece.
by generalpass 6y ago
> Going to break a little bit of a lance in defence of 'scienticism' in a mild sense given that a lot of the comments here overwhelmingly agree with the piece.
> I think there's a lot of benefit to science as a methodology or process even in contexts where science might not seem readily applicable. The author takes as an example issues of justice. While it's true that there's something fallacious about trying to reason about oughts from scientific principles there is I think a lot of value in grounding these discussions in scientific process. The reason for that is that scientific principles force people to avoid 'language games' or rationalisations and provide a common formalism to make 'progress'.
> People often use 'scientism' as a prejorative for a sort of cold, broken calculator like mentality, but a scientific account of justice, grounded in biology, evidence about punishment and so forth would almost certainly be more humanistic, forgiving, and productive than say, religious debate or ad hoc moral justification, which has led to some of the more cruel treatments in our history.
> The author also I think makes some basic mistakes about the nature of science, she says for example:
> "But too often those elegant mathematical models turn out to be based on assumptions about “rational economic man” true of no real-world economic actors."
> This is true, but not really a problem. As Milton Friedman put it: "Truly important and significant hypotheses will be found to have "assumptions" that are wildly inaccurate descriptive representations of reality, and, in general, the more significant the theory, the more unrealistic the assumptions (in this sense) Why? Because such hypotheses and descriptions extract only those crucial elements sufficient to yield relatively precise, valid predictions, omitting a welter of predictively irrelevant details. Of course descriptive unrealism by itself does not ensure a "significant theory"
> Believing in the 'rational man' is no mistake of scientism but like believing in a perfect sphere. Somewhat absurd and evidently not found in the real world but nonetheless useful as a tool to form theories.
A lot of what you have stated appears to rest on the assumption that the other disciplines have no methodology, as well as inserting false dilemma.
- Barrin92 6y agoI think it's fair to say that what distinguishes scientific activity from other fields, like philosophy is the formalistic methodology. The logical positivists who took this to the extreme actually envisioned a 'unified science' as one of the central goals of doing science. I don't think it's a stretch to say that much of philosophical discourse, disagreement, in particular, concerns disagreement about fundamental methodology. I don't think that's even something philosophers would disagree with. Theologians, continental philosophers, analytical philosophers, postmodernists and so forth all have vast disagreements about what the tools, or even the purpose of philosophy is. Likewise, when theories of justice are concerned, religious scholars and bioethicists don't primarily disagree about the results or evidence of some process, they disagree about fundamental assumptions on how to make inquiries at all. That's usually not the issue (or a secondary issue) in science.
- generalpass 6y agoHow would science be applied to determine that prices should exist?