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Just wait until we get closer to the election. Then it's going to get absolutely bonkers.

by ethbro 6y ago

davidw 6y ago
I was already worried about what might happen with this election, but the pandemic is likely to make things worse. My wife and I have been discussing logistics to get somewhere safer in the event of different scenarios, but at the end... it's just difficult to predict what might happen and where.
- nostrademons 6y ago
  If the U.S. collapses so does the whole world. Many regions in the globe (eg. Israel & the Middle East, Eastern Europe, the East Asian archipelago) are stable because of the threat of U.S. intervention if a large regional power decides they want to dominate the region. Take away that threat and you're going to get some very quick invasions as local powers seek to take advantage of the situation. Plus the U.S. dollar is the global reserve currency, so its collapse would send financial shockwaves through many developed countries. Better to build local relationships where you are and focus on mutual aid & defense agreements with friendly local communities. The threat model here is a breakup of the U.S, not an invasion. The threat model to an individual is much less if you're in a community where the other individuals have your back, than if you're a minority or outcast in unfriendly territory.
  - davidw 6y ago
    There are just too many "unknown unknowns" for me to really do a good job of contemplating any of it. We might end up like Venezuela, Hungary or Russia, with some of the trappings of a democracy, but not the real thing. If he loses the election and there is violence, who knows how that goes, how much of it there is, and where... Feels weird to write all this. I'm not much one for "wild" sounding theories, but all this feels like it's coming to a head, and things may change a lot.
    - ethbro 6y ago
      I'd recommend reading US political history. Specifically in the 1850 - 1920 period. The amount of batshit antics that passed for democracy gives a healthy perspective on current events. The Union endures.
- rootusrootus 6y ago
  The US has certainly endured worse in the past and came through strongly. Neither the coronavirus nor Trump are anywhere close to an existential threat for this country.
  - davidw 6y ago
    You're probably correct, but past perfomance is no guarantee of future resuls, and, more importantly, while the country may have 'come through' events like the civil war, the death toll was ghastly. All things considered, being anywhere near its path was a really bad idea.

Just wait until we get closer to the election. Then it's going to get absolutely bonkers.

by ethbro 6y ago

Just wait until we get closer to the election. Then it's going to get absolutely bonkers.

I was already worried about what might happen with this election, but the pandemic is likely to make things worse. My wife and I have been discussing logistics to get somewhere safer in the event of different scenarios, but at the end... it's just difficult to predict what might happen and where.

nostrademons 6y ago
If the U.S. collapses so does the whole world. Many regions in the globe (eg. Israel & the Middle East, Eastern Europe, the East Asian archipelago) are stable because of the threat of U.S. intervention if a large regional power decides they want to dominate the region. Take away that threat and you're going to get some very quick invasions as local powers seek to take advantage of the situation. Plus the U.S. dollar is the global reserve currency, so its collapse would send financial shockwaves through many developed countries. Better to build local relationships where you are and focus on mutual aid & defense agreements with friendly local communities. The threat model here is a breakup of the U.S, not an invasion. The threat model to an individual is much less if you're in a community where the other individuals have your back, than if you're a minority or outcast in unfriendly territory.
- davidw 6y ago
  There are just too many "unknown unknowns" for me to really do a good job of contemplating any of it. We might end up like Venezuela, Hungary or Russia, with some of the trappings of a democracy, but not the real thing. If he loses the election and there is violence, who knows how that goes, how much of it there is, and where... Feels weird to write all this. I'm not much one for "wild" sounding theories, but all this feels like it's coming to a head, and things may change a lot.
  - ethbro 6y ago
    I'd recommend reading US political history. Specifically in the 1850 - 1920 period. The amount of batshit antics that passed for democracy gives a healthy perspective on current events. The Union endures.
rootusrootus 6y ago
The US has certainly endured worse in the past and came through strongly. Neither the coronavirus nor Trump are anywhere close to an existential threat for this country.
- davidw 6y ago
  You're probably correct, but past perfomance is no guarantee of future resuls, and, more importantly, while the country may have 'come through' events like the civil war, the death toll was ghastly. All things considered, being anywhere near its path was a really bad idea.