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I can’t follow his logic whatsoever. China...actually handled this outbreak. That’s why they can reopen. They were locked down for months in many areas. So tha

by cactus2093 6y ago

I can’t follow his logic whatsoever. China...actually handled this outbreak. That’s why they can reopen. They were locked down for months in many areas. So that comparison if anything is a justification not to reopen right now - stay locked down long enough to squash this, and we’ll be able to safely reopen like China. If anything he should be suing the county for putting on such an ineffective lockdown which makes this take longer than it needed to. Businesses are forced to close but for individuals it’s basically a completely voluntary lockdown right now and I see lots of people opting out, not wearing masks, meeting up with friends, etc.

natch 6y ago
The way you talk about people’s behavior, meeting up with friends and such, it almost sounds like going to work in the factory would actually be safer, because people are so physically separated there in their different tasks. BTW if you don’t wear a mask and go out without getting within 6 feet of anyone, you’re not opting out of California guidance. You’re following it. Masks are for if you do expect to encounter situations where you are closer than 6 feet for an extended time. People are lazy and don’t read the fine print, and they miss this part.
- cactus2093 6y ago
  > BTW if you don’t wear a mask and go out without getting within 6 feet of anyone, you’re not opting out of California guidance. Exactly, this is the type of half-assed measures that may be preventing our decline in cases. (If it's not, and there is good evidence of exactly what types of activities California's continued plateau of cases is coming from, I would be very interested to read about that). Unless you're in a very rural area, you can't possibly be sure that you won't have to pass within 6 ft of someone when you go outside. A single other person walking on the sidewalk with you is going to inevitably be less than 6 ft away. Not to mention that the 6ft advice was just ballpark to begin with, and the virus can seemingly travel further in e.g. the slipstreams of a runner or biker's breath, or even hang around in the air. Masks should be required even outside during the Phase 1, full-lockdown phase. It's a such a minor additional inconvenience for people.

natch 6y ago

The way you talk about people’s behavior, meeting up with friends and such, it almost sounds like going to work in the factory would actually be safer, because people are so physically separated there in their different tasks. BTW if you don’t wear a mask and go out without getting within 6 feet of anyone, you’re not opting out of California guidance. You’re following it. Masks are for if you do expect to encounter situations where you are closer than 6 feet for an extended time. People are lazy and don’t read the fine print, and they miss this part.

cactus2093 6y ago
> BTW if you don’t wear a mask and go out without getting within 6 feet of anyone, you’re not opting out of California guidance. Exactly, this is the type of half-assed measures that may be preventing our decline in cases. (If it's not, and there is good evidence of exactly what types of activities California's continued plateau of cases is coming from, I would be very interested to read about that). Unless you're in a very rural area, you can't possibly be sure that you won't have to pass within 6 ft of someone when you go outside. A single other person walking on the sidewalk with you is going to inevitably be less than 6 ft away. Not to mention that the 6ft advice was just ballpark to begin with, and the virus can seemingly travel further in e.g. the slipstreams of a runner or biker's breath, or even hang around in the air. Masks should be required even outside during the Phase 1, full-lockdown phase. It's a such a minor additional inconvenience for people.