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What you've said makes no sense. Why shouldn't new tech be required? You're not even comparing similar science topics to modern physics. When you're pushing the

by 0xTJ 6y ago

What you've said makes no sense. Why shouldn't new tech be required? You're not even comparing similar science topics to modern physics. When you're pushing the boundaries of our knowledge of the universe, there's no human perception that can itself detect anything new.

ellofromoversea 6y ago
Math and humans modeled the Higgs before technology “found it” IMO like with space ships this is just not a useful engineering endeavor in general We probably could iterate on engineering AI and nanotechnology so future people could programmatically build specific machines But let’s go on a whim and prematurely optimize a machine to maybe produce new insights at scale that, unlike with the Higgs, we’re still trying to find consensus mathematics to define We’re putting the cart before the horse this time and the fact the LHC hasn’t produced much else even with all the mathy theories has shown on paper we’re so off the mark a giant new machine would be built just to titillate a generation that is addicted to being titillated Maybe we could just get our own imaginations back for a bit before we keep following the imaginings of yesterday Not sure if you’ve noticed but pandemic life is making building such a thing a non-starter. How do you design, plan, and assemble such a thing when groups of people have to work on a basement?
yters 6y ago
It's always our theoretical perception that pushes the boundaries, regardless of what tech we have. I would say our theoretical imagination is lacking these days. Probably because scientists aren't trained in broad rigorous thought with philosophy. Instead, the memorize some mathematical formula and the latest tech, and go off trying different permutations thereof in order to get published and get grants. In my many years in academia I see very little imaginative original thought. In the commercial world there is more innovation, but not much deep understanding or theory beyond optimizing some market. Altogether, the leading thinkers are very narrow minded and short sighted. Academia is also much less religious these days. Perhaps there is a correlation.

by 0xTJ 6y ago

ellofromoversea 6y ago

Math and humans modeled the Higgs before technology “found it” IMO like with space ships this is just not a useful engineering endeavor in general We probably could iterate on engineering AI and nanotechnology so future people could programmatically build specific machines But let’s go on a whim and prematurely optimize a machine to maybe produce new insights at scale that, unlike with the Higgs, we’re still trying to find consensus mathematics to define We’re putting the cart before the horse this time and the fact the LHC hasn’t produced much else even with all the mathy theories has shown on paper we’re so off the mark a giant new machine would be built just to titillate a generation that is addicted to being titillated Maybe we could just get our own imaginations back for a bit before we keep following the imaginings of yesterday Not sure if you’ve noticed but pandemic life is making building such a thing a non-starter. How do you design, plan, and assemble such a thing when groups of people have to work on a basement?

yters 6y ago

It's always our theoretical perception that pushes the boundaries, regardless of what tech we have. I would say our theoretical imagination is lacking these days. Probably because scientists aren't trained in broad rigorous thought with philosophy. Instead, the memorize some mathematical formula and the latest tech, and go off trying different permutations thereof in order to get published and get grants. In my many years in academia I see very little imaginative original thought. In the commercial world there is more innovation, but not much deep understanding or theory beyond optimizing some market. Altogether, the leading thinkers are very narrow minded and short sighted. Academia is also much less religious these days. Perhaps there is a correlation.