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The first 2 sentences are a reasonable point. But even if there is spare capacity, people who go into ICU are dying, so it's not like it's a clean cut judgemen

The first 2 sentences are a reasonable point. But even if there is spare capacity, people who go into ICU are dying, so it's not like it's a clean cut judgement call that if there's spare capacity, people will be fine and it was just recovery from an illness. Spare capacity still = a death rate. I think most all the policymakers are aware that there is going to be a judgement call about lives at risk versus economic cost of the lockdown. I don't think anyone is saying that 0 deaths must be achieved. We don't try to achieve that for anything. The grownups in the room are weighing when to open and restart the economy against the data-backed risk of disease flaring up and causing a worse shutdown to be required. The kids are asking to go out and play without knowledge of anything.

DavideNL 6y ago
Also people seem to forget that deaths are not the only problem. Getting out of the icu and surviving is not like a walk in the park where you get a little oxygen and continue with your life. Some % of people will never fully recover and live with health issues for the rest of their life.
cm2187 6y ago
> The grownups in the room are weighing when to open and restart the economy against the data-backed risk of disease flaring up and causing a worse shutdown to be required. The kids are asking to go out and play without knowledge of anything. Are you suggesting anyone who disagrees with this policy is clueless?
- supernova87a 6y ago
  I'm saying that I observe that people who are most vehemently advocating for lifting the lockdown seem to be people who are not, shall we say, the most knowledgeable or informed about the severity and risk of the disease.
luckylion 6y ago
> Spare capacity still = a death rate. I'm not trying to be snarky, but you do realize that the people who do not die from Covid-19 will still die eventually, right? We're not making a choice between death or no death, we're mostly making a choice between death now or death in a few years. > I don't think anyone is saying that 0 deaths must be achieved. You just used "Spare capacity still = a death rate" as an argument, that's a different version of "0 deaths must be achieved".

DavideNL 6y ago

Also people seem to forget that deaths are not the only problem. Getting out of the icu and surviving is not like a walk in the park where you get a little oxygen and continue with your life. Some % of people will never fully recover and live with health issues for the rest of their life.

cm2187 6y ago

> The grownups in the room are weighing when to open and restart the economy against the data-backed risk of disease flaring up and causing a worse shutdown to be required. The kids are asking to go out and play without knowledge of anything. Are you suggesting anyone who disagrees with this policy is clueless?

supernova87a 6y ago
I'm saying that I observe that people who are most vehemently advocating for lifting the lockdown seem to be people who are not, shall we say, the most knowledgeable or informed about the severity and risk of the disease.

luckylion 6y ago

> Spare capacity still = a death rate. I'm not trying to be snarky, but you do realize that the people who do not die from Covid-19 will still die eventually, right? We're not making a choice between death or no death, we're mostly making a choice between death now or death in a few years. > I don't think anyone is saying that 0 deaths must be achieved. You just used "Spare capacity still = a death rate" as an argument, that's a different version of "0 deaths must be achieved".