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My god, they even have a working link to a zip file containing a Netscape Navigator exe. I hope that's on a CDN.

romwell 6y ago
It's not, the download failed several times for me. When it finally worked, I was disappointed to see that I couldn't get it to run on Win 10 (64-bit). (It does appear to be a Windows executable, though)
- arrayjumper 6y ago
  I'm happy to report that I was able to download the zip file and run the executable on my Ubuntu box with Wine. It was quite surreal to see Netscape installer running on my 4k monitor. I was even able to open the browser and navigate to Google. Sadly https://www.dinostomatopie.com/ https://www.dinostomatopie.com/ and http://www.dinostomatopie.com/ http://www.dinostomatopie.com/ failed to open with a message saying "Netscape and this server cannot communicate securely because they have no common encryption algorithm(s)".
  - jtvjan 6y ago
    What's the point of forcing HTTPS? It's a pizza place, not a bank.
    - ubercow13 6y ago
      It stops Comcast selling your topping preferences to other pizzerias
    - cecja 6y ago
      It's faster. http://www.httpvshttps.com/ http://www.httpvshttps.com/
    - egeozcan 6y ago
      encryption works much better when it's setup without discrimination. I mean not the encryption itself; in the end, it's a tool not the aim.
    - Cpoll 6y ago
      It stops a man-in-the-middle attacker from trying to exploit your browser/extensions/password manager by injecting code into that site (once the cert is pinned). It might also help with SEO? Google's been pushing for https everywhere.
  - kristopolous 6y ago
    You have to run the old browsers through a local proxy you configure yourself a lot of times these days if you're really interested in surfing the web with it. I'm about to go to sleep but there's ones that forward https as http, convert webp and png to gif, strip JavaScript to prevent the browser from locking up, etc. There's a real world use for this in crazy companies where people are forced on some old browser. This makes them not go down in glorious flames at every site.
    - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
      When you wake up, I'd love to hear more about this. I've searched for https ==> http proxies before and didn't find much. I'm aware of https://github.com/tenox7/wrp https://github.com/tenox7/wrp but converting everything to a gif is quite a bit more destructive!
      - kristopolous 6y ago
        back in the day I used RabbIT which handled both the https/http and the png problem but it looks like it hasn't been updated in years. It looks like squid can do the https problem (https://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/HTTPS https://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/HTTPS). This actually doesn't looks as easy to do in 2020 as it was in 2009. I also had luck at chaining proxies that did different features as well so one would do a certain transformation and pass it off to another etc. I've also done partial implementations just using php ... you can preg_replace most things and it more or less works. But yes I had assumed things had gotten easier but apparently they've actually become more difficult.
      - bobbiechen 6y ago
        Not the original commenter, but mitmproxy (https://mitmproxy.org/ https://mitmproxy.org/) can do this out-of-the-box for a single site with its reverse proxy: mitmdump --mode=reverse:https://news.ycombinator.com And then visiting http://localhost:8080 http://localhost:8080 will direct to the site. There's also a nice (though under-documented) scripting interface, so you could probably write a script that does this for all sites in regular proxy mode. I found an example of this here, though I didn't test it: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mitmproxy/IAJ0-MHVC0U https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mitmproxy/IAJ0-MHVC0...

It's not, the download failed several times for me. When it finally worked, I was disappointed to see that I couldn't get it to run on Win 10 (64-bit). (It does appear to be a Windows executable, though)

arrayjumper 6y ago
I'm happy to report that I was able to download the zip file and run the executable on my Ubuntu box with Wine. It was quite surreal to see Netscape installer running on my 4k monitor. I was even able to open the browser and navigate to Google. Sadly https://www.dinostomatopie.com/ https://www.dinostomatopie.com/ and http://www.dinostomatopie.com/ http://www.dinostomatopie.com/ failed to open with a message saying "Netscape and this server cannot communicate securely because they have no common encryption algorithm(s)".
- jtvjan 6y ago
  What's the point of forcing HTTPS? It's a pizza place, not a bank.
  - ubercow13 6y ago
    It stops Comcast selling your topping preferences to other pizzerias
  - cecja 6y ago
    It's faster. http://www.httpvshttps.com/ http://www.httpvshttps.com/
  - egeozcan 6y ago
    encryption works much better when it's setup without discrimination. I mean not the encryption itself; in the end, it's a tool not the aim.
  - Cpoll 6y ago
    It stops a man-in-the-middle attacker from trying to exploit your browser/extensions/password manager by injecting code into that site (once the cert is pinned). It might also help with SEO? Google's been pushing for https everywhere.
- kristopolous 6y ago
  You have to run the old browsers through a local proxy you configure yourself a lot of times these days if you're really interested in surfing the web with it. I'm about to go to sleep but there's ones that forward https as http, convert webp and png to gif, strip JavaScript to prevent the browser from locking up, etc. There's a real world use for this in crazy companies where people are forced on some old browser. This makes them not go down in glorious flames at every site.
  - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
    When you wake up, I'd love to hear more about this. I've searched for https ==> http proxies before and didn't find much. I'm aware of https://github.com/tenox7/wrp https://github.com/tenox7/wrp but converting everything to a gif is quite a bit more destructive!
    - kristopolous 6y ago
      back in the day I used RabbIT which handled both the https/http and the png problem but it looks like it hasn't been updated in years. It looks like squid can do the https problem (https://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/HTTPS https://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/HTTPS). This actually doesn't looks as easy to do in 2020 as it was in 2009. I also had luck at chaining proxies that did different features as well so one would do a certain transformation and pass it off to another etc. I've also done partial implementations just using php ... you can preg_replace most things and it more or less works. But yes I had assumed things had gotten easier but apparently they've actually become more difficult.
    - bobbiechen 6y ago
      Not the original commenter, but mitmproxy (https://mitmproxy.org/ https://mitmproxy.org/) can do this out-of-the-box for a single site with its reverse proxy: mitmdump --mode=reverse:https://news.ycombinator.com And then visiting http://localhost:8080 http://localhost:8080 will direct to the site. There's also a nice (though under-documented) scripting interface, so you could probably write a script that does this for all sites in regular proxy mode. I found an example of this here, though I didn't test it: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mitmproxy/IAJ0-MHVC0U https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mitmproxy/IAJ0-MHVC0...