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> To require non-essential workers to go back to work right now is far more fascist than to require people to stay in place to protect their health. How is tha

> To require non-essential workers to go back to work right now is far more fascist than to require people to stay in place to protect their health. How is that more facist? I am reading the definition of Fascism: ----- a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition ----- I don't want to weigh in what side of the coin I oppose, but your statement isn't making much sense to me, perhaps you can expand. Case 1: Gov requiring citizens to stay home Case 2: Gov r̶e̶q̶u̶i̶r̶i̶n̶g allowing citizens to go to work Both cases are exercise of authority. Edit: Case 1 is clearly fascist, and Case 2 is not.

34679 6y ago
Case 2 is "Gov allowing citizens to go to work" Should be clear which case is fascist.
- spectramax 6y ago
  Good point. So Case 1 is more fascist, opposite of what the OP is claiming.
  - marcusverus 6y ago
    His argument is essentially that the lack of authoritarian control is less authoritarian than no authoritarian control. I'm not sure how someone holds such an opinion when its falsehood is self-evident.
    - birdyrooster 6y ago
      My argument is that Elon has sufficient power that he wields against the interests of his employees that he himself is fascist. He is trying to override the policy of democratically elected leadership of Alameda County.
      - marcusverus 6y ago
        > My argument is that Elon has sufficient power that he wields against the interests of his employees that he himself is fascist. Elon wants to open his factory. He cannot force anyone to work. He lacks legal authority to do so. If he opens his factory, then his employees may either return to work, or not. This is a choice that they will have to make. Nobody is compelled to do anything in this situation. This is called freedom of association. And again, Elon merely wants to open his factory. But the government won't let him. So he tweeted his intent to move his company. This is called freedom of speech. No matter how much it rustles your jimmies, neither freedom of association nor freedom of speech is fascism. Elon is not compelling anyone to do anything. He hasn't advocated compelling anyone to do anything. This is not fascism, not by any stretch of the imagination.
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        birdyrooster 6y ago
        Perhaps you don’t read his Twitter but he has been advocating people there to do a lot. One of those things is to go back to work and open the country immediately. He would fit in on Fox and Friends with dumbass opinions like this.
birdyrooster 6y ago
Case 1: CEO allows democratically elected county officials and their experts to make policy in accordance with public health Case 2: CEO abuses authority by coming in to work which pressures his employees to work against the interests of public health and democratically elected leaders Case 2 is clearly fascist and Case 1 is not.
- jelliclesfarm 6y ago
  Not elected. Why is working at Costco safer than working at Tesla? Have you been to Tesla factory? Social distancing is probably easier there than at Costco. Just saying..
  - birdyrooster 6y ago
    County officials are elected in Alameda. There is the County Central Committee, County Council and the County Supervisors which all have elected members. Another person elected is Elon Musk, elected by the board of Tesla and not their workers. Which of these two are more aligned with the needs of the people of Alameda? Why should Tesla policy supersede this ever? To your second point, Costco is an essential service. It’s not safe for them either.
    - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
      The interim health officer dr.erica pan who Elon musk named in his tweet is not elected. Elon musk is not forcing anyone to work. Are liquor shops and smoke shops ‘essential.’? They are open too. Factories need to be open. They are not like other places of work. It is possible to maintain social distance and more effectively than at a Costco warehouse. At Tesla, they work next to and with robots. At the end of the day, I support Elon Musk because I know how Alameda County operates. He can’t do anything worse.
      - birdyrooster 6y ago
        Non-partisan experts are doing what they are paid to do. The reason liquor shops and smoke shops are essential is because there would be an immediate, unregulated and untaxed black market. Not only would it be a public health concern because you cannot regulate how business is done, but it would create an avenue for organized crime to take advantage of the situation. I don't see any black market Tesla factories popping up in response to the closure in Fremont.

34679 6y ago

Case 2 is "Gov allowing citizens to go to work" Should be clear which case is fascist.

spectramax 6y ago
Good point. So Case 1 is more fascist, opposite of what the OP is claiming.
- marcusverus 6y ago
  His argument is essentially that the lack of authoritarian control is less authoritarian than no authoritarian control. I'm not sure how someone holds such an opinion when its falsehood is self-evident.
  - birdyrooster 6y ago
    My argument is that Elon has sufficient power that he wields against the interests of his employees that he himself is fascist. He is trying to override the policy of democratically elected leadership of Alameda County.
    - marcusverus 6y ago
      > My argument is that Elon has sufficient power that he wields against the interests of his employees that he himself is fascist. Elon wants to open his factory. He cannot force anyone to work. He lacks legal authority to do so. If he opens his factory, then his employees may either return to work, or not. This is a choice that they will have to make. Nobody is compelled to do anything in this situation. This is called freedom of association. And again, Elon merely wants to open his factory. But the government won't let him. So he tweeted his intent to move his company. This is called freedom of speech. No matter how much it rustles your jimmies, neither freedom of association nor freedom of speech is fascism. Elon is not compelling anyone to do anything. He hasn't advocated compelling anyone to do anything. This is not fascism, not by any stretch of the imagination.
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      - birdyrooster 6y ago
        Perhaps you don’t read his Twitter but he has been advocating people there to do a lot. One of those things is to go back to work and open the country immediately. He would fit in on Fox and Friends with dumbass opinions like this.

birdyrooster 6y ago

Case 1: CEO allows democratically elected county officials and their experts to make policy in accordance with public health Case 2: CEO abuses authority by coming in to work which pressures his employees to work against the interests of public health and democratically elected leaders Case 2 is clearly fascist and Case 1 is not.

jelliclesfarm 6y ago
Not elected. Why is working at Costco safer than working at Tesla? Have you been to Tesla factory? Social distancing is probably easier there than at Costco. Just saying..
- birdyrooster 6y ago
  County officials are elected in Alameda. There is the County Central Committee, County Council and the County Supervisors which all have elected members. Another person elected is Elon Musk, elected by the board of Tesla and not their workers. Which of these two are more aligned with the needs of the people of Alameda? Why should Tesla policy supersede this ever? To your second point, Costco is an essential service. It’s not safe for them either.
  - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
    The interim health officer dr.erica pan who Elon musk named in his tweet is not elected. Elon musk is not forcing anyone to work. Are liquor shops and smoke shops ‘essential.’? They are open too. Factories need to be open. They are not like other places of work. It is possible to maintain social distance and more effectively than at a Costco warehouse. At Tesla, they work next to and with robots. At the end of the day, I support Elon Musk because I know how Alameda County operates. He can’t do anything worse.
    - birdyrooster 6y ago
      Non-partisan experts are doing what they are paid to do. The reason liquor shops and smoke shops are essential is because there would be an immediate, unregulated and untaxed black market. Not only would it be a public health concern because you cannot regulate how business is done, but it would create an avenue for organized crime to take advantage of the situation. I don't see any black market Tesla factories popping up in response to the closure in Fremont.