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The question is, to what end? Unless the state remains closed for the next 12 months (ie: until a successful vaccine exists in mass quantities) at some point th

The question is, to what end? Unless the state remains closed for the next 12 months (ie: until a successful vaccine exists in mass quantities) at some point the numbers will go up. So staying closed longer doesn't really help (as long as rates are kept under "hospitals implode" levels) and just ensure an even larger economic decimation. edit: As for your emotional point, how many dead black and latino Californians will there be over the next 30 years due to the massive increase in poverty?

birdyrooster 7y ago
You don't think there would be an equally massive increase in poverty for black and latino families to lose bread winners who are forced to go back to work during unsafe conditions? The Federal and State governments have the capability of protecting their workers instead of requiring them to work. This is about valuing and protecting lives.
- marcinzm 7y ago
  >You don't think there would be an equally massive increase in poverty for black and latino families to lose bread winners who are forced to go back to work during unsafe conditions? The mortality rate for working age people isn't very high so, no, I doubt the economic impact will be as great. The deaths would be mainly among older non-working relatives. Which is a horrible thing from a human perspective but if you want to argue cold numbers that's what they are. >The Federal and State governments have the capability of protecting their workers instead of requiring them to work. And I also wish unicorns were real. They're not. The federal government won't do anything except open a bottle of champagne for every 10000 dead democrats. The state government lacks the money to actually do anything.
- syspec 7y ago
  Please stop spreading this idea, that everyone who is hispanic is poor. Not everyone who is hispanic was born poor, or is poor. It really really does more harm than good. It's a mild form of racism, the same as the people who spout crime statistics
  - birdyrooster 7y ago
    > that everyone who is hispanic is poor I never spread this idea. We both agree that not everyone who is hispanic was born poor, or is poor. Not that I want to share my identity, but I am a living example of this.
  - mydongle 7y ago
    But you do recognize that more hispanics are poorer on average than some other races, for example whites, right? So on average, a lot of Hispanic families will be disproportionately affected by having to go to work during unsafe conditions compared to white families who are secure enough to shelter at home until the pandemic boils over. This is literally the basis of systemic/institutional racism/inequalities. You can't deny one and not the other.
    - syspec 7y ago
      I never implied there WAS systemic/institutional racism/inequalities. That's your quote not mine. My point is much simpler. Please stop this idea that all hispanic people are poor, or were born poor
      - ac29 7y ago
        > Please stop this idea that all hispanic people are poor, or were born poor. That was never said, you're arguing against a straw man. Hispanic people in the US, as a race, have the lowest median and average income of any racial group [0]. That doesn't mean that they are all poor, or that there is something inherently wrong with them, its just a statement of fact. [0] https://dqydj.com/income-by-race/ https://dqydj.com/income-by-race/
      - birdyrooster 7y ago
        Great job resurrecting this straw man, do you do birthday parties?
  - yeetman21 7y ago
    how are crime statistics racist? honestly can facts be racist?

birdyrooster 7y ago

You don't think there would be an equally massive increase in poverty for black and latino families to lose bread winners who are forced to go back to work during unsafe conditions? The Federal and State governments have the capability of protecting their workers instead of requiring them to work. This is about valuing and protecting lives.

marcinzm 7y ago
>You don't think there would be an equally massive increase in poverty for black and latino families to lose bread winners who are forced to go back to work during unsafe conditions? The mortality rate for working age people isn't very high so, no, I doubt the economic impact will be as great. The deaths would be mainly among older non-working relatives. Which is a horrible thing from a human perspective but if you want to argue cold numbers that's what they are. >The Federal and State governments have the capability of protecting their workers instead of requiring them to work. And I also wish unicorns were real. They're not. The federal government won't do anything except open a bottle of champagne for every 10000 dead democrats. The state government lacks the money to actually do anything.
syspec 7y ago
Please stop spreading this idea, that everyone who is hispanic is poor. Not everyone who is hispanic was born poor, or is poor. It really really does more harm than good. It's a mild form of racism, the same as the people who spout crime statistics
- birdyrooster 7y ago
  > that everyone who is hispanic is poor I never spread this idea. We both agree that not everyone who is hispanic was born poor, or is poor. Not that I want to share my identity, but I am a living example of this.
- mydongle 7y ago
  But you do recognize that more hispanics are poorer on average than some other races, for example whites, right? So on average, a lot of Hispanic families will be disproportionately affected by having to go to work during unsafe conditions compared to white families who are secure enough to shelter at home until the pandemic boils over. This is literally the basis of systemic/institutional racism/inequalities. You can't deny one and not the other.
  - syspec 7y ago
    I never implied there WAS systemic/institutional racism/inequalities. That's your quote not mine. My point is much simpler. Please stop this idea that all hispanic people are poor, or were born poor
    - ac29 7y ago
      > Please stop this idea that all hispanic people are poor, or were born poor. That was never said, you're arguing against a straw man. Hispanic people in the US, as a race, have the lowest median and average income of any racial group [0]. That doesn't mean that they are all poor, or that there is something inherently wrong with them, its just a statement of fact. [0] https://dqydj.com/income-by-race/ https://dqydj.com/income-by-race/
    - birdyrooster 7y ago
      Great job resurrecting this straw man, do you do birthday parties?
- yeetman21 7y ago
  how are crime statistics racist? honestly can facts be racist?