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This continues Musk’s politically incorrect response to COVID19. He’s already claimed it would be no worse than the flu, that children are basically immune, and

This continues Musk’s politically incorrect response to COVID19. He’s already claimed it would be no worse than the flu, that children are basically immune, and he violated the original shutdown order until basically forced to stop production. Tesla employees were called back on site on Friday and asked to resume manufacturing. Alameda County put out a statement that the shutdown was still in place, prompting Musk’s response.

plerpin 6y ago
He's like an embodiment of the know-it-all engineer meme, who thinks that domain expertise in one field makes him a genius everywhere else. It's dangerous how prone he is to fashioning himself to be an authority on things he knows nothing about.
- dopylitty 6y ago
  With one caveat that he's not an engineer. At best he has some experience as a web developer but is largely a money guy having gotten his start from his family's emerald mine in apartheid South Africa.
  - tim333 6y ago
    He claims otherwise. His rockets seem to work quite well. https://youtu.be/cIQ36Kt7UVg?t=175 https://youtu.be/cIQ36Kt7UVg?t=175
  - thu2111 6y ago
    That's a pretty absurd slur. If you're going to claim Musk isn't an engineer then you're defining the term so narrowly it stops being interesting. Biographies of him are quite clear that when he decided to make SpaceX he spent a very long period of time indeed doing nothing but reading rocket science textbooks; it was the knowledge of rocketry he gained by doing that which allowed him to realise which problems needed to be solved, that they could be solved, who could do the work to solve them and most importantly to gain the confidence of other rocket engine designers and convince them to join him. He pretty routinely engages in technical discussion about rockets, what happened, what went wrong etc. That's on top of his experience as a software developer. So if you're going to claim Musk isn't an engineer then really neither was Bill Gates, Larry Page, or other people who did some initial work and had some expertise in what their company did but rapidly became a professional executive.
    - starkd 6y ago
      The criticism that Elon Musk is "not an engineer" is an example of loserthink if ever there was one.
  - tim333 6y ago
    Wikipedia has >Elon Reeve Musk FRS (/ˈiːlɒn/; born June 28, 1971) is an engineer, industrial designer, technology entrepreneur, scientist and philanthropist Still haters gonna hate.
    - tfehring 6y ago
      The fact that his Wikipedia byline is the strongest evidence of any engineering expertise is telling.
      - tim333 6y ago
        Well, the easiest to cut and paste more than the strongest.
- wuunderbar 6y ago
  > who thinks that domain expertise in one field makes him a genius everywhere else. To be fair and pedantic, he's proven expertise in broad areas. Regardless, I agree with your last point.
  - rawland 6y ago
    Where? As far as I know it's mostly VC and some product design leadership.
    - wuunderbar 6y ago
      He's fairly involved in the day-to-day engineering at SpaceX historically: https://www.quora.com/Does-Elon-Musk-do-some-very-technical-work-code-design-etc-at-SpaceX https://www.quora.com/Does-Elon-Musk-do-some-very-technical-... There's more examples from interviews with people at SpaceX on YouTube I can't find right now. Web development and rocket science are two very different domains.
9HZZRfNlpR 6y ago
I'm not an American but by the look of it the restrictions in California are insane when you look at their case numbers. I'm comparing it with European countries where I live but California can't close their borders either to control the flow of infected from other places.
- birdyrooster 6y ago
  Why else do you think we've managed to keep it in control despite having some dense city centers? Musk would rather profit and see 10,000 dead black and latino Californians. Good riddance to him. People driving Tesla, I'll be thinking of this when I see you behind the wheel.
  - marcinzm 6y ago
    The question is, to what end? Unless the state remains closed for the next 12 months (ie: until a successful vaccine exists in mass quantities) at some point the numbers will go up. So staying closed longer doesn't really help (as long as rates are kept under "hospitals implode" levels) and just ensure an even larger economic decimation. edit: As for your emotional point, how many dead black and latino Californians will there be over the next 30 years due to the massive increase in poverty?
    - birdyrooster 6y ago
      You don't think there would be an equally massive increase in poverty for black and latino families to lose bread winners who are forced to go back to work during unsafe conditions? The Federal and State governments have the capability of protecting their workers instead of requiring them to work. This is about valuing and protecting lives.
      - marcinzm 6y ago
        >You don't think there would be an equally massive increase in poverty for black and latino families to lose bread winners who are forced to go back to work during unsafe conditions? The mortality rate for working age people isn't very high so, no, I doubt the economic impact will be as great. The deaths would be mainly among older non-working relatives. Which is a horrible thing from a human perspective but if you want to argue cold numbers that's what they are. >The Federal and State governments have the capability of protecting their workers instead of requiring them to work. And I also wish unicorns were real. They're not. The federal government won't do anything except open a bottle of champagne for every 10000 dead democrats. The state government lacks the money to actually do anything.
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plerpin 6y ago

He's like an embodiment of the know-it-all engineer meme, who thinks that domain expertise in one field makes him a genius everywhere else. It's dangerous how prone he is to fashioning himself to be an authority on things he knows nothing about.

dopylitty 6y ago
With one caveat that he's not an engineer. At best he has some experience as a web developer but is largely a money guy having gotten his start from his family's emerald mine in apartheid South Africa.
- tim333 6y ago
  He claims otherwise. His rockets seem to work quite well. https://youtu.be/cIQ36Kt7UVg?t=175 https://youtu.be/cIQ36Kt7UVg?t=175
- thu2111 6y ago
  That's a pretty absurd slur. If you're going to claim Musk isn't an engineer then you're defining the term so narrowly it stops being interesting. Biographies of him are quite clear that when he decided to make SpaceX he spent a very long period of time indeed doing nothing but reading rocket science textbooks; it was the knowledge of rocketry he gained by doing that which allowed him to realise which problems needed to be solved, that they could be solved, who could do the work to solve them and most importantly to gain the confidence of other rocket engine designers and convince them to join him. He pretty routinely engages in technical discussion about rockets, what happened, what went wrong etc. That's on top of his experience as a software developer. So if you're going to claim Musk isn't an engineer then really neither was Bill Gates, Larry Page, or other people who did some initial work and had some expertise in what their company did but rapidly became a professional executive.
  - starkd 6y ago
    The criticism that Elon Musk is "not an engineer" is an example of loserthink if ever there was one.
- tim333 6y ago
  Wikipedia has >Elon Reeve Musk FRS (/ˈiːlɒn/; born June 28, 1971) is an engineer, industrial designer, technology entrepreneur, scientist and philanthropist Still haters gonna hate.
  - tfehring 6y ago
    The fact that his Wikipedia byline is the strongest evidence of any engineering expertise is telling.
    - tim333 6y ago
      Well, the easiest to cut and paste more than the strongest.
wuunderbar 6y ago
> who thinks that domain expertise in one field makes him a genius everywhere else. To be fair and pedantic, he's proven expertise in broad areas. Regardless, I agree with your last point.
- rawland 6y ago
  Where? As far as I know it's mostly VC and some product design leadership.
  - wuunderbar 6y ago
    He's fairly involved in the day-to-day engineering at SpaceX historically: https://www.quora.com/Does-Elon-Musk-do-some-very-technical-work-code-design-etc-at-SpaceX https://www.quora.com/Does-Elon-Musk-do-some-very-technical-... There's more examples from interviews with people at SpaceX on YouTube I can't find right now. Web development and rocket science are two very different domains.

9HZZRfNlpR 6y ago

I'm not an American but by the look of it the restrictions in California are insane when you look at their case numbers. I'm comparing it with European countries where I live but California can't close their borders either to control the flow of infected from other places.

birdyrooster 6y ago
Why else do you think we've managed to keep it in control despite having some dense city centers? Musk would rather profit and see 10,000 dead black and latino Californians. Good riddance to him. People driving Tesla, I'll be thinking of this when I see you behind the wheel.
- marcinzm 6y ago
  The question is, to what end? Unless the state remains closed for the next 12 months (ie: until a successful vaccine exists in mass quantities) at some point the numbers will go up. So staying closed longer doesn't really help (as long as rates are kept under "hospitals implode" levels) and just ensure an even larger economic decimation. edit: As for your emotional point, how many dead black and latino Californians will there be over the next 30 years due to the massive increase in poverty?
  - birdyrooster 6y ago
    You don't think there would be an equally massive increase in poverty for black and latino families to lose bread winners who are forced to go back to work during unsafe conditions? The Federal and State governments have the capability of protecting their workers instead of requiring them to work. This is about valuing and protecting lives.
    - marcinzm 6y ago
      >You don't think there would be an equally massive increase in poverty for black and latino families to lose bread winners who are forced to go back to work during unsafe conditions? The mortality rate for working age people isn't very high so, no, I doubt the economic impact will be as great. The deaths would be mainly among older non-working relatives. Which is a horrible thing from a human perspective but if you want to argue cold numbers that's what they are. >The Federal and State governments have the capability of protecting their workers instead of requiring them to work. And I also wish unicorns were real. They're not. The federal government won't do anything except open a bottle of champagne for every 10000 dead democrats. The state government lacks the money to actually do anything.

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