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Musk: Tesla will 'immediately' leave California over coronavirus shutdowns

dotcoma 6y ago
Texas-bound. Without even reading the article.
- camjohnson26 6y ago
  He claimed Texas or Nevada
  - dotcoma 6y ago
    Bernie won in Nevada. Not the right place for Musk, imho.
    - camjohnson26 6y ago
      Tesla can’t sell cars direct to customers in Texas either. California has actually been pretty friendly for Tesla, the shutdown must be hurting their business significantly for Musk to react like this.
      - dotcoma 6y ago
        Ah. Why can't they sell cars direct to customers in Texas?
        erk__ 6y ago
        They have laws that forbid direct sales there [0], there are laws like that in many states and countries. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_US_dealership_disputes#Texas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_US_dealership_disputes#T...
        unstatusthequo 6y ago
        Which is absurd.
        spectramax 6y ago
        Musk should negotiate with the state of Texas: If you want to grow and compete, having a Tesla presence in Texas, you're gonna have to get rid of ancient absurd laws.
        vinay427 6y ago
        A kind request to please consider a more substantive alternative to your comment, as recommended by the HN guidelines as I understand them. There's no perspective I can gain by reading a comment that essentially expresses an upvote or downvote on a view, and I expect you have a perspective worth sharing.
        not_really 6y ago
        You are not a mod. The same can be said for your comment.
        deleted 6y ago
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        vinay427 6y ago
        Some historical context from the Wikipedia article a sibling comment links to, because a few seem to assume some states created this law as a response to Tesla: "The laws against direct sales arose historically in the United States starting in the 1930s, as automobile manufacturers started using independently franchised dealerships to offload the tasks of retail selling and servicing vehicles.[35] The laws have been actively defended into the 21st century and extended to online in-state sales.[36][37] Such regulations protect dealerships against a manufacturer opening its own dealerships and competing against resellers, which could be seen as an abuse of the manufacturer-franchise relationship.[35] Critics view the laws as thwarting legitimate competitive pressure that benefits consumers, and some have described them as "protectionism",[35] and "crony capitalism".[38]"
      - baldeagle 6y ago
        Pay enough ‘taxes’ and make enough jobs, maybe that will change. Taxes are in quotes because I’m sure there will ene some tax break incentives.
- aguyfromnb 6y ago
  China bound.
camjohnson26 6y ago
This continues Musk’s politically incorrect response to COVID19. He’s already claimed it would be no worse than the flu, that children are basically immune, and he violated the original shutdown order until basically forced to stop production. Tesla employees were called back on site on Friday and asked to resume manufacturing. Alameda County put out a statement that the shutdown was still in place, prompting Musk’s response.
- plerpin 6y ago
  He's like an embodiment of the know-it-all engineer meme, who thinks that domain expertise in one field makes him a genius everywhere else. It's dangerous how prone he is to fashioning himself to be an authority on things he knows nothing about.
  - dopylitty 6y ago
    With one caveat that he's not an engineer. At best he has some experience as a web developer but is largely a money guy having gotten his start from his family's emerald mine in apartheid South Africa.
    - tim333 6y ago
      He claims otherwise. His rockets seem to work quite well. https://youtu.be/cIQ36Kt7UVg?t=175 https://youtu.be/cIQ36Kt7UVg?t=175
    - thu2111 6y ago
      That's a pretty absurd slur. If you're going to claim Musk isn't an engineer then you're defining the term so narrowly it stops being interesting. Biographies of him are quite clear that when he decided to make SpaceX he spent a very long period of time indeed doing nothing but reading rocket science textbooks; it was the knowledge of rocketry he gained by doing that which allowed him to realise which problems needed to be solved, that they could be solved, who could do the work to solve them and most importantly to gain the confidence of other rocket engine designers and convince them to join him. He pretty routinely engages in technical discussion about rockets, what happened, what went wrong etc. That's on top of his experience as a software developer. So if you're going to claim Musk isn't an engineer then really neither was Bill Gates, Larry Page, or other people who did some initial work and had some expertise in what their company did but rapidly became a professional executive.
benibela 6y ago
Or is it because X Æ A-12 is not a valid child name in California?
intopieces 6y ago
With an oil collapse I would think this is a great time to move into Texas. I will be as proud to buy a Tesla from there as I am to buy one from Fremont. Perhaps he will relocate his employees, too, who can enjoy a lower COL.
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iancmceachern 6y ago
Wasn't Tesla given the opportunity to use or acquire the Fremont plant as part of a deal to find a use for the old newmie gm plant? I mean it's one thing if they had bought the land and developed on it, its another if they were given a better deal than that.
birdyrooster 6y ago
To require non-essential workers to go back to work right now is far more fascist than to require people to stay in place to protect their health, but Elon sees it the other way. He wants people to weigh whether their lives and their loved ones lives are worth being able to afford living in a society that won't give them a bailout because of scabs like Elon, only focusing on stopping the economic bleeding while humans are hurting in more profound ways. We don't live in some utopic society where Elon gets a special authority to do whatever floats his enormous personal debt. Compromise is required. That means selling some TSLA shares to pay that debt so that you don't become a scum-sucking demon.
- 34679 6y ago
  Who's requiring anyone to go back to work? Nobody is forced to work at Tesla. Anyone who wants to continue not working is free to do so. Right now, nobody who wants to work at that particular plant is free to do so.
  - travisporter 6y ago
    Actually, if you refuse to go back to work because of safety reasons in PA or IN, your employer will snitch on you, and you will not get unemployment benefits.
    - 34679 6y ago
      That's not the case in CA or at Tesla: "First, I’d like to be super clear that if you feel the slightest bit ill or even uncomfortable, please don’t feel obligated to come to work. I will personally be at work, but that is just me. Totally OK if you want to stay home for any reason." https://electrek.co/2020/03/17/elon-musk-tesla-coronavirus-panic-email/ https://electrek.co/2020/03/17/elon-musk-tesla-coronavirus-p...
  - gerty 6y ago
    Libertarian nonsense doesn't even work in everyday life, let alone a pandemic.
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uyuioi 6y ago
You either die young a hero, or live long enough to become the villain.
whatever1 6y ago
For the future reader: Today we surpassed 78k deaths from COVID19 in the US.
- tdfx 6y ago
  33% of which occurred in nursing homes [1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/09/us/coronavirus-cases-nursing-homes-us.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/09/us/coronaviru...
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  - whatever1 6y ago
    Including employees there.
- busymom0 6y ago
  66% of New York Hospitalizations Statewide Are From People Sheltering at Home, only 3 percent in New York City had been using public transportation, 96 percent had other underlying health conditions: https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/05/07/new-survey-suggests-66--of-all-new-hospitalizations-are-from-people-sheltering-at-home- https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/05/07/new-sur... 33% are from nursing homes: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/09/us/coronavirus-cases-nursing-homes-us.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/09/us/coronaviru...
- thu2111 6y ago
  No, today the USA surpassed an absolute max of 78k deaths, with the true number surely being far lower when you take into account: • The huge numbers dying of what would otherwise be called old age who simply happen to test positive at the moment of death. • The financial incentives hospitals are given to code deaths as COVID. • The rampant reporting of COVID without tests based on nothing more than suspicion (combine that with the second point) At this point the death counts for COVID around the world are so corrupted they're basically meaningless.
greendave 6y ago
> Frankly, this is the final straw. Tesla will now move its HQ and future programs to Texas/Nevada immediately. If we even retain Fremont manufacturing activity at all, it will be dependen on how Tesla is treated in the future. Tesla is the last carmaker left in CA. The frustration (and venting) is perhaps understandable, but it's not a good look to be begging for special treatment. Hundreds of bay area folks are currently in the ICU with COVID-19. A bit of carelessness or bad luck and those hundreds will become (tens of) thousands.
tonyedgecombe 6y ago
He is a petulant little shit isn’t he.
- dang 6y ago
  Please don't do this here. Perhaps you don't owe celebrity CEOs better, but you owe this community better if you're posting to it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
travisporter 6y ago
What are Musk’s views on climate change?
dang 6y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23126517 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23126517

Texas-bound. Without even reading the article.

camjohnson26 6y ago
He claimed Texas or Nevada
- dotcoma 6y ago
  Bernie won in Nevada. Not the right place for Musk, imho.
  - camjohnson26 6y ago
    Tesla can’t sell cars direct to customers in Texas either. California has actually been pretty friendly for Tesla, the shutdown must be hurting their business significantly for Musk to react like this.
    - dotcoma 6y ago
      Ah. Why can't they sell cars direct to customers in Texas?
      - erk__ 6y ago
        They have laws that forbid direct sales there [0], there are laws like that in many states and countries. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_US_dealership_disputes#Texas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_US_dealership_disputes#T...
        unstatusthequo 6y ago
        Which is absurd.
        spectramax 6y ago
        Musk should negotiate with the state of Texas: If you want to grow and compete, having a Tesla presence in Texas, you're gonna have to get rid of ancient absurd laws.
        vinay427 6y ago
        A kind request to please consider a more substantive alternative to your comment, as recommended by the HN guidelines as I understand them. There's no perspective I can gain by reading a comment that essentially expresses an upvote or downvote on a view, and I expect you have a perspective worth sharing.
        not_really 6y ago
        You are not a mod. The same can be said for your comment.
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - vinay427 6y ago
        Some historical context from the Wikipedia article a sibling comment links to, because a few seem to assume some states created this law as a response to Tesla: "The laws against direct sales arose historically in the United States starting in the 1930s, as automobile manufacturers started using independently franchised dealerships to offload the tasks of retail selling and servicing vehicles.[35] The laws have been actively defended into the 21st century and extended to online in-state sales.[36][37] Such regulations protect dealerships against a manufacturer opening its own dealerships and competing against resellers, which could be seen as an abuse of the manufacturer-franchise relationship.[35] Critics view the laws as thwarting legitimate competitive pressure that benefits consumers, and some have described them as "protectionism",[35] and "crony capitalism".[38]"
    - baldeagle 6y ago
      Pay enough ‘taxes’ and make enough jobs, maybe that will change. Taxes are in quotes because I’m sure there will ene some tax break incentives.
aguyfromnb 6y ago
China bound.

This continues Musk’s politically incorrect response to COVID19. He’s already claimed it would be no worse than the flu, that children are basically immune, and he violated the original shutdown order until basically forced to stop production. Tesla employees were called back on site on Friday and asked to resume manufacturing. Alameda County put out a statement that the shutdown was still in place, prompting Musk’s response.

plerpin 6y ago
He's like an embodiment of the know-it-all engineer meme, who thinks that domain expertise in one field makes him a genius everywhere else. It's dangerous how prone he is to fashioning himself to be an authority on things he knows nothing about.
- dopylitty 6y ago
  With one caveat that he's not an engineer. At best he has some experience as a web developer but is largely a money guy having gotten his start from his family's emerald mine in apartheid South Africa.
  - tim333 6y ago
    He claims otherwise. His rockets seem to work quite well. https://youtu.be/cIQ36Kt7UVg?t=175 https://youtu.be/cIQ36Kt7UVg?t=175
  - thu2111 6y ago
    That's a pretty absurd slur. If you're going to claim Musk isn't an engineer then you're defining the term so narrowly it stops being interesting. Biographies of him are quite clear that when he decided to make SpaceX he spent a very long period of time indeed doing nothing but reading rocket science textbooks; it was the knowledge of rocketry he gained by doing that which allowed him to realise which problems needed to be solved, that they could be solved, who could do the work to solve them and most importantly to gain the confidence of other rocket engine designers and convince them to join him. He pretty routinely engages in technical discussion about rockets, what happened, what went wrong etc. That's on top of his experience as a software developer. So if you're going to claim Musk isn't an engineer then really neither was Bill Gates, Larry Page, or other people who did some initial work and had some expertise in what their company did but rapidly became a professional executive.

benibela 6y ago

Or is it because X Æ A-12 is not a valid child name in California?

intopieces 6y ago

With an oil collapse I would think this is a great time to move into Texas. I will be as proud to buy a Tesla from there as I am to buy one from Fremont. Perhaps he will relocate his employees, too, who can enjoy a lower COL.

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iancmceachern 6y ago

Wasn't Tesla given the opportunity to use or acquire the Fremont plant as part of a deal to find a use for the old newmie gm plant? I mean it's one thing if they had bought the land and developed on it, its another if they were given a better deal than that.

birdyrooster 6y ago

To require non-essential workers to go back to work right now is far more fascist than to require people to stay in place to protect their health, but Elon sees it the other way. He wants people to weigh whether their lives and their loved ones lives are worth being able to afford living in a society that won't give them a bailout because of scabs like Elon, only focusing on stopping the economic bleeding while humans are hurting in more profound ways. We don't live in some utopic society where Elon gets a special authority to do whatever floats his enormous personal debt. Compromise is required. That means selling some TSLA shares to pay that debt so that you don't become a scum-sucking demon.

34679 6y ago
Who's requiring anyone to go back to work? Nobody is forced to work at Tesla. Anyone who wants to continue not working is free to do so. Right now, nobody who wants to work at that particular plant is free to do so.
- travisporter 6y ago
  Actually, if you refuse to go back to work because of safety reasons in PA or IN, your employer will snitch on you, and you will not get unemployment benefits.
  - 34679 6y ago
    That's not the case in CA or at Tesla: "First, I’d like to be super clear that if you feel the slightest bit ill or even uncomfortable, please don’t feel obligated to come to work. I will personally be at work, but that is just me. Totally OK if you want to stay home for any reason." https://electrek.co/2020/03/17/elon-musk-tesla-coronavirus-panic-email/ https://electrek.co/2020/03/17/elon-musk-tesla-coronavirus-p...
- gerty 6y ago
  Libertarian nonsense doesn't even work in everyday life, let alone a pandemic.
- 6y ago

uyuioi 6y ago

You either die young a hero, or live long enough to become the villain.

whatever1 6y ago

For the future reader: Today we surpassed 78k deaths from COVID19 in the US.

tdfx 6y ago
33% of which occurred in nursing homes [1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/09/us/coronavirus-cases-nursing-homes-us.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/09/us/coronaviru...
- deleted 6y ago
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- whatever1 6y ago
  Including employees there.
busymom0 6y ago
66% of New York Hospitalizations Statewide Are From People Sheltering at Home, only 3 percent in New York City had been using public transportation, 96 percent had other underlying health conditions: https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/05/07/new-survey-suggests-66--of-all-new-hospitalizations-are-from-people-sheltering-at-home- https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/05/07/new-sur... 33% are from nursing homes: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/09/us/coronavirus-cases-nursing-homes-us.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/09/us/coronaviru...
thu2111 6y ago
No, today the USA surpassed an absolute max of 78k deaths, with the true number surely being far lower when you take into account: • The huge numbers dying of what would otherwise be called old age who simply happen to test positive at the moment of death. • The financial incentives hospitals are given to code deaths as COVID. • The rampant reporting of COVID without tests based on nothing more than suspicion (combine that with the second point) At this point the death counts for COVID around the world are so corrupted they're basically meaningless.

greendave 6y ago

> Frankly, this is the final straw. Tesla will now move its HQ and future programs to Texas/Nevada immediately. If we even retain Fremont manufacturing activity at all, it will be dependen on how Tesla is treated in the future. Tesla is the last carmaker left in CA. The frustration (and venting) is perhaps understandable, but it's not a good look to be begging for special treatment. Hundreds of bay area folks are currently in the ICU with COVID-19. A bit of carelessness or bad luck and those hundreds will become (tens of) thousands.

tonyedgecombe 6y ago

He is a petulant little shit isn’t he.

dang 6y ago
Please don't do this here. Perhaps you don't owe celebrity CEOs better, but you owe this community better if you're posting to it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

travisporter 6y ago

What are Musk’s views on climate change?

dang 6y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23126517 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23126517