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I disagree, I think people underestimate the social cost of uprooting your life, leaving all of your friends and families, and moving into an area that often ha

I disagree, I think people underestimate the social cost of uprooting your life, leaving all of your friends and families, and moving into an area that often has beliefs counter to your own There's already examples. Epic will pay you top tech level salaries in the middle of nowhere, where you can live like a king. Superstars seem to be staying put.

mrep 6y ago
Epic systems (?) because levels.fyi says otherwise.
dkersten 6y ago
> I disagree, I think people underestimate the social cost of uprooting your life, leaving all of your friends and families, and moving into an area that often has beliefs counter to your own You mean how a lot of people do to move to SV in the first place?
hckr_news 6y ago
Epic will also make you work with proprietary older tools and languages that leave you lacking if you were to leave in search of another job. Ever heard of MUMPS?
- goda90 6y ago
  Epic does use newer stuff now too, btw. .NET for instance.
xiphias2 6y ago
I don't know Epic, but Basecamp pays SF rates for remote workers, and their retention statistics are far above average. ,,Middle of nowhere'' is a bad place anyways, I'm sure that there are more fun places than Mountain View for young guys to live their single life or to buy their dream family house.
BurningFrog 6y ago
And yet probably 1/3 of SV engineers are immigrants, who have done some serious uprooting to be here.
thu2111 6y ago
It's interesting how that looks from outside the USA. The first time I went to Mountain View I got a shock. I was young and naive, fresh off the boat from Europe, and I'd been told it was the "City of Mountain View". So I didn't bother renting a car. I figured I'd just take the train. For a lot of people living in the Bay Area is kinda like living in the middle of nowhere. You have to drive for over an hour, often much more if the highways are jammed, simply to reach the nearest actual city. It appears Epic is based in Verona, Wisconsin, which is about 2hr 20 mins from Chicago. So a bit further out for sure, but not so radically different that it'd completely change your life, I guess. Of course if you live in SF and then commute to work, it's different, but that's a pretty miserable experience.
- cameronbrown 6y ago
  I can't drive, so Uber was a lifesaver in the Bay Area.

mrep 6y ago

Epic systems (?) because levels.fyi says otherwise.

dkersten 6y ago

> I disagree, I think people underestimate the social cost of uprooting your life, leaving all of your friends and families, and moving into an area that often has beliefs counter to your own You mean how a lot of people do to move to SV in the first place?

hckr_news 6y ago

Epic will also make you work with proprietary older tools and languages that leave you lacking if you were to leave in search of another job. Ever heard of MUMPS?

goda90 6y ago
Epic does use newer stuff now too, btw. .NET for instance.

xiphias2 6y ago

I don't know Epic, but Basecamp pays SF rates for remote workers, and their retention statistics are far above average. ,,Middle of nowhere'' is a bad place anyways, I'm sure that there are more fun places than Mountain View for young guys to live their single life or to buy their dream family house.

BurningFrog 6y ago

And yet probably 1/3 of SV engineers are immigrants, who have done some serious uprooting to be here.

thu2111 6y ago

It's interesting how that looks from outside the USA. The first time I went to Mountain View I got a shock. I was young and naive, fresh off the boat from Europe, and I'd been told it was the "City of Mountain View". So I didn't bother renting a car. I figured I'd just take the train. For a lot of people living in the Bay Area is kinda like living in the middle of nowhere. You have to drive for over an hour, often much more if the highways are jammed, simply to reach the nearest actual city. It appears Epic is based in Verona, Wisconsin, which is about 2hr 20 mins from Chicago. So a bit further out for sure, but not so radically different that it'd completely change your life, I guess. Of course if you live in SF and then commute to work, it's different, but that's a pretty miserable experience.

cameronbrown 6y ago
I can't drive, so Uber was a lifesaver in the Bay Area.