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Forgive my ignorance but why is tracking the play of the deck not a legitimate strategy?

zzo38computer 6y ago
It is a legitimate strategy, and I think the casino is not actually allowed to arrest you, accuse you of cheating, take back your winnings, etc for it. They can ban you though; casinos can ban you whenever they want to. I think they can also refuse to give you any comp bonuses. I am not really so sure how it works; I don't gamble in a casino and do not intend to.
- SaltyBackendGuy 6y ago
  > I don't gamble in a casino and do not intend to. This is the only long term winning strategy I've seen work in practice. (Former Poker Dealer)
  - Stratoscope 6y ago
    Greetings Professor Falken Hello A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?
ec109685 6y ago
It is a legitimate strategy, but if you do this well enough, the casino will not allow you to play, since you can turn the game’s odds into your favor.
- swader999 6y ago
  With face/gant recognition and other means of tracking, once you are barred from play at one casino you are at almost all.
  - swang 6y ago
    they already had this long before facial recognition came into play. they were called griffin books/black books. when you were "caught" they took a photo and a company called griffin investigations would pass this info around to all the other casinos.
    - defen 6y ago
      So was there a person who had the job of memorizing hundreds (thousands?) of faces from a book and then watching every person who came to the tables?
      - swang 6y ago
        These people eventually start winning money at the tables, which will draw attention from casino security. When that happens, yes, someone at security would have to recognize the person there. But once that happens security will also notify the rest of the casinos and its pretty much over by then.
- pas 6y ago
  Why don't they just add a lot more cards, like just use 20 decks?
  - ec109685 6y ago
    At that point, they should just use a continuous shuffle machine. I think there is a nice psychological effect of a deck that can truly get “hot”, where the odds actually do temporarily turn towards the players favor. The life is sucked out the game if things are truly random on every deal.
    - pas 6y ago
      > The life is sucked out the game if things are truly random on every deal. But .. the game is to play with others and have a great time, no? At least poker is fun, yet everyone knows the odds.

It is a legitimate strategy, and I think the casino is not actually allowed to arrest you, accuse you of cheating, take back your winnings, etc for it. They can ban you though; casinos can ban you whenever they want to. I think they can also refuse to give you any comp bonuses. I am not really so sure how it works; I don't gamble in a casino and do not intend to.

SaltyBackendGuy 6y ago
> I don't gamble in a casino and do not intend to. This is the only long term winning strategy I've seen work in practice. (Former Poker Dealer)
- Stratoscope 6y ago
  Greetings Professor Falken Hello A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

ec109685 6y ago

It is a legitimate strategy, but if you do this well enough, the casino will not allow you to play, since you can turn the game’s odds into your favor.

swader999 6y ago
With face/gant recognition and other means of tracking, once you are barred from play at one casino you are at almost all.
- swang 6y ago
  they already had this long before facial recognition came into play. they were called griffin books/black books. when you were "caught" they took a photo and a company called griffin investigations would pass this info around to all the other casinos.
  - defen 6y ago
    So was there a person who had the job of memorizing hundreds (thousands?) of faces from a book and then watching every person who came to the tables?
    - swang 6y ago
      These people eventually start winning money at the tables, which will draw attention from casino security. When that happens, yes, someone at security would have to recognize the person there. But once that happens security will also notify the rest of the casinos and its pretty much over by then.
pas 6y ago
Why don't they just add a lot more cards, like just use 20 decks?
- ec109685 6y ago
  At that point, they should just use a continuous shuffle machine. I think there is a nice psychological effect of a deck that can truly get “hot”, where the odds actually do temporarily turn towards the players favor. The life is sucked out the game if things are truly random on every deal.
  - pas 6y ago
    > The life is sucked out the game if things are truly random on every deal. But .. the game is to play with others and have a great time, no? At least poker is fun, yet everyone knows the odds.