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Journalist using the words "frat" in an article doesn't make something true. The only place I see this term slung is in the media and HN, or people making up ab

Journalist using the words "frat" in an article doesn't make something true. The only place I see this term slung is in the media and HN, or people making up abstract bad guys to vent their anger on.

saagarjha 6y ago
Fraternities exist, and they have a culture associated with them. Visit any college campus (well, not right now) and you’ll find out exactly what it is.
- googlryas 6y ago
  By "culture associated with them" you mean you have a stereotype of their culture you associate with them.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    No, I was recently a college student who lived near frat houses. (Yes, I know there are academic fraternities: that’s not what this discussion was about.)
    - googlryas 6y ago
      I was recently living next to black people, so let me tell you about how black people really are.
      - tomnipotent 6y ago
        Exactly. Most people use silly stereotypes from TV to paint "frat bois" in some biased lighting, never ceases to amuse me.
DonHopkins 6y ago
>Journalist using the words "frat" [...] No actually: widely respected Pulitzer Prize and other award winning New York Times journalists quoting senior government official using the word "frat": “The culture clash between public and private sectors has been jarring,” The Times reports. “The senior official described the Kushner team as a ‘frat party’ that descended from a U.F.O. and invaded the federal government.” >The only place I see this term slung is in the media [...] So basically, EVERYWHERE. >[...] and HN A subset of everywhere. >[...] or people making up abstract bad guys [...] I SPECIFICALLY cited Evan Spiegel by name as a bad guy, a Frat Bro, and a Tech Bro: what's so abstract about that? The leading literary magazine The Atlantic, a highly respected 150-year-old publication, specifically described Evan Spiegel by name as "the Frattiest Bro of Them All" and "the ultimate frat guy". And as you should well know, Travis Kalanick is the SPECIFIC bad guy at Uber responsible for its infamously toxic Tech Bro culture. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/snapchat-the-app-frat-bros-love-was-started-by-the-frattiest-bro-of-them-all/371749/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/snapc... >Snapchat, the App Frat Bros Love, Was Started By the Frattiest Bro of Them All >Evan Spiegel, the CEO and cofounder of Snapchat, has created a massive, popular application. It's basically a frat boys dream, and as it turns out, Spiegel was the ultimate frat guy during his time at Standford. There are certainly many other names I could name and specific examples of toxic Tech Bro culture in the tech industry I could cite, but you're absolutely incorrect to say that I'm just "making up abstract bad guys". Do you really believe the problem is that the bad guys are too abstract? The media and lawsuits have certainly named other specific bad guys at other specific toxic nepotistic sexist companies before, like Eric Akerman and Scott Henry and Euen Thompson at Magic Leap, for example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21725347 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21725347 https://www.vrandfun.com/magic-leap-settling-sex-discrimination-lawsuit-with-former-employee/ https://www.vrandfun.com/magic-leap-settling-sex-discriminat... >Magic Leap Settling Sex Discrimination Lawsuit with Former Employee (vrandfun.com) >"Eric Akerman, vice president of IT, is a high school buddy of Abovitz. He is a loud and outspoken and several misogynistic comments have emanated from his department and from him." >"Vice president of IT Akerman, on Nov. 8, 2016, told a large group of people who asked why he voted for Trump that it was 'because Melania is hot.'" >Campbell met September 28, 2016 with Magic Leap CFO Henry and Head of Operations Tina Tuli for a conference call with the CFO and leadership team at R/GA, an award-winning international advertising agency that was Magic Leap’s advertising agency of record. During the call, Henry said of the product under development, “I’m sitting here between two beautiful ladies. They’re not going to want to put a big ugly device over their pretty faces. And I have an office with glass doors, I don’t want people to see me with these beautiful girls with ugly things on their faces.” Later, one of the male R/GA executives on the call asked Campbell if Henry frequently made sexist comments like he had made. A female executive at R/GA also was offended by Henry’s remarks. >Euen Thompson, an IT Support Lead, on November 16, 2016, gave a tutorial to a group of seven new hires, including two women, how to use Magic Leap’s IT equipment and resources. One woman asked Thompson a question in front of the group and Thompson responded, “Yeah, women always have trouble with computers.” The women in the group, in apparent disbelief, asked Thompson to repeat what he said and Thompson replied, “In IT we have a saying; stay away from the Three Os: Orientals, Old People and Ovaries.”

Journalist using the words "frat" in an article doesn't make something true. The only place I see this term slung is in the media and HN, or people making up abstract bad guys to vent their anger on.

saagarjha 6y ago

Fraternities exist, and they have a culture associated with them. Visit any college campus (well, not right now) and you’ll find out exactly what it is.

googlryas 6y ago
By "culture associated with them" you mean you have a stereotype of their culture you associate with them.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  No, I was recently a college student who lived near frat houses. (Yes, I know there are academic fraternities: that’s not what this discussion was about.)
  - googlryas 6y ago
    I was recently living next to black people, so let me tell you about how black people really are.
    - tomnipotent 6y ago
      Exactly. Most people use silly stereotypes from TV to paint "frat bois" in some biased lighting, never ceases to amuse me.

DonHopkins 6y ago

>Journalist using the words "frat" [...] No actually: widely respected Pulitzer Prize and other award winning New York Times journalists quoting senior government official using the word "frat": “The culture clash between public and private sectors has been jarring,” The Times reports. “The senior official described the Kushner team as a ‘frat party’ that descended from a U.F.O. and invaded the federal government.” >The only place I see this term slung is in the media [...] So basically, EVERYWHERE. >[...] and HN A subset of everywhere. >[...] or people making up abstract bad guys [...] I SPECIFICALLY cited Evan Spiegel by name as a bad guy, a Frat Bro, and a Tech Bro: what's so abstract about that? The leading literary magazine The Atlantic, a highly respected 150-year-old publication, specifically described Evan Spiegel by name as "the Frattiest Bro of Them All" and "the ultimate frat guy". And as you should well know, Travis Kalanick is the SPECIFIC bad guy at Uber responsible for its infamously toxic Tech Bro culture. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/snapchat-the-app-frat-bros-love-was-started-by-the-frattiest-bro-of-them-all/371749/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/snapc... >Snapchat, the App Frat Bros Love, Was Started By the Frattiest Bro of Them All >Evan Spiegel, the CEO and cofounder of Snapchat, has created a massive, popular application. It's basically a frat boys dream, and as it turns out, Spiegel was the ultimate frat guy during his time at Standford. There are certainly many other names I could name and specific examples of toxic Tech Bro culture in the tech industry I could cite, but you're absolutely incorrect to say that I'm just "making up abstract bad guys". Do you really believe the problem is that the bad guys are too abstract? The media and lawsuits have certainly named other specific bad guys at other specific toxic nepotistic sexist companies before, like Eric Akerman and Scott Henry and Euen Thompson at Magic Leap, for example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21725347 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21725347 https://www.vrandfun.com/magic-leap-settling-sex-discrimination-lawsuit-with-former-employee/ https://www.vrandfun.com/magic-leap-settling-sex-discriminat... >Magic Leap Settling Sex Discrimination Lawsuit with Former Employee (vrandfun.com) >"Eric Akerman, vice president of IT, is a high school buddy of Abovitz. He is a loud and outspoken and several misogynistic comments have emanated from his department and from him." >"Vice president of IT Akerman, on Nov. 8, 2016, told a large group of people who asked why he voted for Trump that it was 'because Melania is hot.'" >Campbell met September 28, 2016 with Magic Leap CFO Henry and Head of Operations Tina Tuli for a conference call with the CFO and leadership team at R/GA, an award-winning international advertising agency that was Magic Leap’s advertising agency of record. During the call, Henry said of the product under development, “I’m sitting here between two beautiful ladies. They’re not going to want to put a big ugly device over their pretty faces. And I have an office with glass doors, I don’t want people to see me with these beautiful girls with ugly things on their faces.” Later, one of the male R/GA executives on the call asked Campbell if Henry frequently made sexist comments like he had made. A female executive at R/GA also was offended by Henry’s remarks. >Euen Thompson, an IT Support Lead, on November 16, 2016, gave a tutorial to a group of seven new hires, including two women, how to use Magic Leap’s IT equipment and resources. One woman asked Thompson a question in front of the group and Thompson responded, “Yeah, women always have trouble with computers.” The women in the group, in apparent disbelief, asked Thompson to repeat what he said and Thompson replied, “In IT we have a saying; stay away from the Three Os: Orientals, Old People and Ovaries.”