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Steam was direct attack on game ownership.. You don't seem to get the game industry has been stealing PC games since 1997 with ultima online. Buying any clien

by nhm33 6y ago

Steam was direct attack on game ownership.. You don't seem to get the game industry has been stealing PC games since 1997 with ultima online. Buying any client-server game or piece of software means you're getting robbed. Almost every game in the 90's had the ability to host locally, Doom, duke 3d, descent, quake 1+2+3, we used IPX emlulators like kali/kahn to play games like warcraft 2 over the internet. So you need to go back further buddy, from 1992 to roughly 2004, all games had dedicated server functionality until the game industry realized the public was stupid with the rise of utlima online, everquest, guild wars 1 and wow, which lead to steam. Steam is basically corporately hacked software, why would you need to login to someones remote PC at valves HQ to play a game? Up until 2004, every PC game had dedicated server functionality built into it. Just go look at the FPS released from 1995 to 2004 roughly. This stopped because the public bought into the MMO scam o the late 90's, mmo's were just rebranded PC RPG's to get the public to take up corporately hacked software. So no. GTA 4, fallout 3, battlefield BC and LEft 4 dead 2 are POST STEAM and POST MMO games, after they'd figured out you were too stupid to realize you were being robbed and were oblivious. So go back to quake 3 engine based games and earlier PC games you'll notice they were complete DRM free pieces of software. You don't get the STEAM is unnatural corproate malware that was forced into half-life 2 because of what they learned about the public from 1997's ultima online. UO was what spawned the great game theft of the last 20 years. To have games that can be shut down remotely and who's servers can go offline means youre getting fraudulently coded software.

a1369209993 6y ago
Note that this isn't a conspiracy, but just each game company individually following its incentives toward extractive business models (and occasionally openly bragging about it and encouraging others to do the same). (Not saying you claimed that, but it's easy to read your post as conspiracy theory rather than accusations of 'mere' ethical bankruptcy.)
- nhm33 6y ago
  >Note that this isn't a conspiracy It is, since Silicon valley and big media companies have always hated the PC's power to copy files. Anyone who has any idea of the history of silicon valley and isn't a retard, knows this has been in the cards for a long time going back to pre internet days when businesses were trying to screw other businesses. https://tifca.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ClienttoCloud_Vision_V2.pdf https://tifca.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ClienttoCloud_V... So they openly state they want to undermine local executable files and make every piece of software client server.
  - a1369209993 6y ago
    Conspiracies are (or rather, try to be) secret. As you yourself say: > they openly state they want to undermine local executable files and make every piece of software client server. [emphasis added] The only 'effort' software companies have put into keeping this a secret is that they they don't usually publicly announce what they're trying to do.
    - nhm33 6y ago
      Because the public is so stupid they can operate in broad daylight. You don't seem to get that the vast majority of the population is computer illiterate. You come off as not too bright yourself, why would you go from having quake 3 with level editing, mods, free maps skins, etc, in big budget AAA games, to not getting that, and having the game client server locked to company PC's like diablo 3 and overwatch? As PC gamer from the 90's, we were expecting Diablo 3 to get level editing and modding, aka juts like warcraft and starcraft had editors, the editors stopped however because of world of warcraft, everquest, guild wars, and uo. Those were RPG's that were just renamed and resold to the public with non ownership, aka anyone who paid for those games paid for the privledge of being robbed. It's as if you went and bought a RPG from staples that had an ethernet dongle that was hooked up to a PC in the back of the store in order for the game to function. You don't seem to get "MMO's" and "f2p games" are not genres, they are just the same PC game recoded to get rid of your ability to control the software. It was all part of a scam to defraud the public of getting complete files for software, this was the end game for the corporate world. So that means we've been getting fraudulently coded software for 23+ years now, and now windows 10 has all sorts of client-server bs in it which is basically malware bs to further turn PC's into a locked down platform like mobile. All to undermine local file access control, thy are using things like active directory to deny access to files on your own machine remotely. Shit is dystopian. The fact that most people are oblivious even on hacker news is pretty disturbing since it says "hackers" you'd think hackers would want to own and control their PC's and not be spied on by microsoft or by their own PC game software.
    - a1369209993 6y ago
      (Replying here since https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23125720 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23125720 seems to be dead.) > Because the public is so stupid they can operate in broad daylight. You don't seem to get that the vast majority of the population is computer illiterate. No, I get that just fine - you're not actually arguing that they have a conspiracy; you're arguing that they don't need one. > why would you go from having quake 3 with level editing, mods, free maps skins, etc, in big budget AAA games, to not getting that, and having the game client server locked to company PC's like diablo 3 and overwatch? I wouldn't, partly because I'm not a moron, but mostly because I prefer Warcraft 3; the last good FPS[0] I played was Wolfenstein. 0: unless you completely ignore the "shooting" part and count minetest.
- a1369209993 6y ago
  > Not saying you claimed that, but it's easy to read your post as conspiracy theory Actually, they seem to have a conspiracy theory, that software companies are secretly... doing the things that they're openly and obviously doing. In other news, [the democratic and republican parties] have always hated [democracy]'s power to [pass laws that harm campaign contributors]. Anyone who has any idea of the history of [the US] and isn't a retard, knows [a bipartisan system] has been in the cards for a long time going back to pre [mass-media] days when [candidates] were trying to screw other [candidates].
  - a1369209993 6y ago
    > that software companies are secretly... doing the things that they're openly and obviously doing. Sure, but that's not a conspiracy theory; that's a obvious malice theory.
streb-lo 6y ago
Now this is funny.
- nhm33 6y ago
  >Now this is funny You keep believing that! Anyone who reads the indsutries own breifings known that this was the plan for a long time. https://tifca.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ClienttoCloud_Vision_V2.pdf https://tifca.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ClienttoCloud_V... But don't let the facts get in the way of your feelings for modern games that can be destroyed at the push of a button from company HQ.

by nhm33 6y ago

a1369209993 6y ago

Note that this isn't a conspiracy, but just each game company individually following its incentives toward extractive business models (and occasionally openly bragging about it and encouraging others to do the same). (Not saying you claimed that, but it's easy to read your post as conspiracy theory rather than accusations of 'mere' ethical bankruptcy.)

nhm33 6y ago
>Note that this isn't a conspiracy It is, since Silicon valley and big media companies have always hated the PC's power to copy files. Anyone who has any idea of the history of silicon valley and isn't a retard, knows this has been in the cards for a long time going back to pre internet days when businesses were trying to screw other businesses. https://tifca.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ClienttoCloud_Vision_V2.pdf https://tifca.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ClienttoCloud_V... So they openly state they want to undermine local executable files and make every piece of software client server.
- a1369209993 6y ago
  Conspiracies are (or rather, try to be) secret. As you yourself say: > they openly state they want to undermine local executable files and make every piece of software client server. [emphasis added] The only 'effort' software companies have put into keeping this a secret is that they they don't usually publicly announce what they're trying to do.
  - nhm33 6y ago
    Because the public is so stupid they can operate in broad daylight. You don't seem to get that the vast majority of the population is computer illiterate. You come off as not too bright yourself, why would you go from having quake 3 with level editing, mods, free maps skins, etc, in big budget AAA games, to not getting that, and having the game client server locked to company PC's like diablo 3 and overwatch? As PC gamer from the 90's, we were expecting Diablo 3 to get level editing and modding, aka juts like warcraft and starcraft had editors, the editors stopped however because of world of warcraft, everquest, guild wars, and uo. Those were RPG's that were just renamed and resold to the public with non ownership, aka anyone who paid for those games paid for the privledge of being robbed. It's as if you went and bought a RPG from staples that had an ethernet dongle that was hooked up to a PC in the back of the store in order for the game to function. You don't seem to get "MMO's" and "f2p games" are not genres, they are just the same PC game recoded to get rid of your ability to control the software. It was all part of a scam to defraud the public of getting complete files for software, this was the end game for the corporate world. So that means we've been getting fraudulently coded software for 23+ years now, and now windows 10 has all sorts of client-server bs in it which is basically malware bs to further turn PC's into a locked down platform like mobile. All to undermine local file access control, thy are using things like active directory to deny access to files on your own machine remotely. Shit is dystopian. The fact that most people are oblivious even on hacker news is pretty disturbing since it says "hackers" you'd think hackers would want to own and control their PC's and not be spied on by microsoft or by their own PC game software.
  - a1369209993 6y ago
    (Replying here since https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23125720 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23125720 seems to be dead.) > Because the public is so stupid they can operate in broad daylight. You don't seem to get that the vast majority of the population is computer illiterate. No, I get that just fine - you're not actually arguing that they have a conspiracy; you're arguing that they don't need one. > why would you go from having quake 3 with level editing, mods, free maps skins, etc, in big budget AAA games, to not getting that, and having the game client server locked to company PC's like diablo 3 and overwatch? I wouldn't, partly because I'm not a moron, but mostly because I prefer Warcraft 3; the last good FPS[0] I played was Wolfenstein. 0: unless you completely ignore the "shooting" part and count minetest.
a1369209993 6y ago
> Not saying you claimed that, but it's easy to read your post as conspiracy theory Actually, they seem to have a conspiracy theory, that software companies are secretly... doing the things that they're openly and obviously doing. In other news, [the democratic and republican parties] have always hated [democracy]'s power to [pass laws that harm campaign contributors]. Anyone who has any idea of the history of [the US] and isn't a retard, knows [a bipartisan system] has been in the cards for a long time going back to pre [mass-media] days when [candidates] were trying to screw other [candidates].
- a1369209993 6y ago
  > that software companies are secretly... doing the things that they're openly and obviously doing. Sure, but that's not a conspiracy theory; that's a obvious malice theory.

streb-lo 6y ago

Now this is funny.

nhm33 6y ago
>Now this is funny You keep believing that! Anyone who reads the indsutries own breifings known that this was the plan for a long time. https://tifca.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ClienttoCloud_Vision_V2.pdf https://tifca.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ClienttoCloud_V... But don't let the facts get in the way of your feelings for modern games that can be destroyed at the push of a button from company HQ.