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THIS! Also, if someone asks me for my YT channel, I just say the channel name and they know where to look, youtube.com. With peertube you have to: give your c

THIS! Also, if someone asks me for my YT channel, I just say the channel name and they know where to look, youtube.com. With peertube you have to: give your channel name, remember then it's NOT youtube, tall then the correct instance, hope they won't type peertube on google and try to search for you in the first instance that comes up.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
How would you suggest we improve on this?
- jbob2000 6y ago
  Maybe some kind of centralized lookup? Oh wait...
  - FalconSensei 6y ago
    And how do you handle all the @pewdiepie@someotherinstance? The original creator has to create an account on all instances to avoid fakes, or give up on the platform?
    - olah_1 6y ago
      In a P2P model, there's multiple ways of going about this. But I tend to think that a true web of trust model makes the most sense. There may be 250 pewdiepie's on the network, but I'll just follow the one that (1) is closest in my network (followed by my friends) and (2) has the most follows (AKA highest trust). We already follow this logic of #1 and #2 today even on centralized networks. Web of trust just makes sense to people intuitively. Who do I know that already knows you? How else can I determine that you're legit? I'm gonna snoop your profile and see what looks legit. Ah, looks like a lot of normal people follow you already. Of course this isn't full proof. But it's not full proof on centralized networks either. We just need reasonable certainty.
    - input_sh 6y ago
      When you set up your email account, did you register username@everyemailprovider.com?
- FalconSensei 6y ago
  One thing that would partially help would, at least, a global video search at peertube.com. With channel names you have a problem, as they would not be unique, BUT at least, you could return all users in all instances, and hope people check the avatar. That would make the process more transparent to users, as they would go to peertube.com and see everyone they follow. BUT, there's a huge problem. When you have a big creator on the platform, like PewDiePie for example. Every instance would have someone creating a fake PewDiePie. So, either the original creator would go to another platform, or they would need to use bots to create they users on all possible instances. So... creator will not have any incentive on using Peertube, as there's no 100% way to know who's the original.
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    Sounds like a keys.pub integration is necessary for cryptographic identity attestation and verification, since Keybase was acquired by Zoom. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22995792 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22995792
    - FalconSensei 6y ago
      Unless all of this is completely transparent to the viewers and content creators, not gonna help. Remember when Mastodon started, the fake IDs were already a problem: https://mashable.com/2017/04/06/you-cant-delete-your-mastodon-account/#1L3vPzhHGSqm https://mashable.com/2017/04/06/you-cant-delete-your-mastodo...
      - toomuchtodo 6y ago
        Agree entirely. I would donate to Keys.pub and PeerTube to ratchet up the UX and make it transparent. You shouldn’t need Youtube, Twitter, or some other centralized provider to attest to your identity; you should be able to, with centralized providers only announcing or caching that attestation (just as keybase provided for with proofs). Maybe there’s an easy way to tie this together with FIDO, U2F, etc. I need to do more research. https://fidoalliance.org/how-fido-works/ https://fidoalliance.org/how-fido-works/
megavolcano 6y ago
Why wouldn't you just give them a direct-link to your "not-youtube" channel?
emersion 6y ago
Just say it's your <instance name> channel instead of saying it's your Peertube channel. You don't necessarily need to explain what Peertube is each time. Also, searching for your account on any Peertube instance should work fine.
interrealmedium 6y ago
That's why you don't give out your channel name, but your web site. And from there you can link people to whatever you want them to see without any worries about where it is hosted.
- Kye 6y ago
  Observation of YouTubers: if they have a website, they rarely if ever link or mention it.
  - FeepingCreature 6y ago
    "Link is in the description."
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - Kye 6y ago
      The links I see see usually go off to things like a Bandcamp page or a print sales site not under their own domain. Or referral links.

toomuchtodo 6y ago

How would you suggest we improve on this?

jbob2000 6y ago
Maybe some kind of centralized lookup? Oh wait...
- FalconSensei 6y ago
  And how do you handle all the @pewdiepie@someotherinstance? The original creator has to create an account on all instances to avoid fakes, or give up on the platform?
  - olah_1 6y ago
    In a P2P model, there's multiple ways of going about this. But I tend to think that a true web of trust model makes the most sense. There may be 250 pewdiepie's on the network, but I'll just follow the one that (1) is closest in my network (followed by my friends) and (2) has the most follows (AKA highest trust). We already follow this logic of #1 and #2 today even on centralized networks. Web of trust just makes sense to people intuitively. Who do I know that already knows you? How else can I determine that you're legit? I'm gonna snoop your profile and see what looks legit. Ah, looks like a lot of normal people follow you already. Of course this isn't full proof. But it's not full proof on centralized networks either. We just need reasonable certainty.
  - input_sh 6y ago
    When you set up your email account, did you register username@everyemailprovider.com?
FalconSensei 6y ago
One thing that would partially help would, at least, a global video search at peertube.com. With channel names you have a problem, as they would not be unique, BUT at least, you could return all users in all instances, and hope people check the avatar. That would make the process more transparent to users, as they would go to peertube.com and see everyone they follow. BUT, there's a huge problem. When you have a big creator on the platform, like PewDiePie for example. Every instance would have someone creating a fake PewDiePie. So, either the original creator would go to another platform, or they would need to use bots to create they users on all possible instances. So... creator will not have any incentive on using Peertube, as there's no 100% way to know who's the original.
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  Sounds like a keys.pub integration is necessary for cryptographic identity attestation and verification, since Keybase was acquired by Zoom. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22995792 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22995792
  - FalconSensei 6y ago
    Unless all of this is completely transparent to the viewers and content creators, not gonna help. Remember when Mastodon started, the fake IDs were already a problem: https://mashable.com/2017/04/06/you-cant-delete-your-mastodon-account/#1L3vPzhHGSqm https://mashable.com/2017/04/06/you-cant-delete-your-mastodo...
    - toomuchtodo 6y ago
      Agree entirely. I would donate to Keys.pub and PeerTube to ratchet up the UX and make it transparent. You shouldn’t need Youtube, Twitter, or some other centralized provider to attest to your identity; you should be able to, with centralized providers only announcing or caching that attestation (just as keybase provided for with proofs). Maybe there’s an easy way to tie this together with FIDO, U2F, etc. I need to do more research. https://fidoalliance.org/how-fido-works/ https://fidoalliance.org/how-fido-works/

megavolcano 6y ago

Why wouldn't you just give them a direct-link to your "not-youtube" channel?

emersion 6y ago

Just say it's your <instance name> channel instead of saying it's your Peertube channel. You don't necessarily need to explain what Peertube is each time. Also, searching for your account on any Peertube instance should work fine.

interrealmedium 6y ago

That's why you don't give out your channel name, but your web site. And from there you can link people to whatever you want them to see without any worries about where it is hosted.

Kye 6y ago
Observation of YouTubers: if they have a website, they rarely if ever link or mention it.
- FeepingCreature 6y ago
  "Link is in the description."
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - Kye 6y ago
    The links I see see usually go off to things like a Bandcamp page or a print sales site not under their own domain. Or referral links.