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When you're unable to provide safe public transport, you demand people move on foot. Thanks for all the lack of cycling paths and constant tax refund to car buy

When you're unable to provide safe public transport, you demand people move on foot. Thanks for all the lack of cycling paths and constant tax refund to car buyers I guess?

Hamuko 6y ago
Do they not tax cars in your country?
- notauser 6y ago
  UK VED is a polution tax (not a road tax) and cycles don't pay it because they don't pollute. VED is a very small proportion of the UK general tax take and not ringfenced to funding roads. UK roads are funded from the general tax pot and regular cyclists in the UK – those who cycle at least once a week – are disproportionately likely to have a household income of at least £50,000 per year which means they almost certainly pay more towards road maintainance than the general population (1). In addition to this this, 83% of UK cyclists live in a household that pays VED in some form (2) anyway. The argument that cyclists pay no tax and therefore don't deserve to use the roads is rubbish. (1) https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2010/aug/10/cycling-boom-survey https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2010/aug/10/cyc... (2) https://www.eta.co.uk/2013/05/24/more-cyclists-pay-road-tax-than-car-drivers/ https://www.eta.co.uk/2013/05/24/more-cyclists-pay-road-tax-...
- sgt101 6y ago
  Fuel is heavily taxed - 75%
microcolonel 6y ago
> Thanks for all the lack of cycling paths and constant tax refund to car buyers I guess? I mean, given all of the specific taxes in the UK and its municipalities on automobile ownership and operation, I don't find it credible that "car buyers" benefit from a "constant tax refund". Also, as an outsider, I remember people chiding and undermining Boris Johnson as mayor of London when he tried investing in cycling in London, I literally heard expats making fun of it. > When you're unable to provide safe public transport Nobody manufactures any mass-market HVAC system for buildings or vehicles that can do continuous air sterilization at a rate that would reliably prevent the spread of this virus. I know how I would build this, but it isn't a standard component of any vehicle as of yet. They should demand vehicles like this now, but given that nobody has experienced this sort of thing since public transit was invented, I'm not that let down that public transport isn't safe during a pandemic.
pmontra 6y ago
If they want to limit cars usage there is no need of cycling paths. Two ways streets become one way on one lane, the other lane is for bicycles. It must be designed to let cars reach all destinations but there is plenty of space out there in our cities (UK and everywhere else) when cars don't take it away.
sgt101 6y ago
>Thanks for all the lack of cycling paths and constant tax refund to car buyers I guess? Well - the lack of safe public transport is due to this thing called "global pandemic". The scandal of public transport in the UK is not London. It is Birmingham and also some elements of the North West (connection of towns to greater Manchester in particular). BTW - car's pay big taxes in the UK via fuel duty - 75% of the cost of petrol is tax.

When you're unable to provide safe public transport, you demand people move on foot. Thanks for all the lack of cycling paths and constant tax refund to car buyers I guess?

Hamuko 6y ago

Do they not tax cars in your country?

notauser 6y ago
UK VED is a polution tax (not a road tax) and cycles don't pay it because they don't pollute. VED is a very small proportion of the UK general tax take and not ringfenced to funding roads. UK roads are funded from the general tax pot and regular cyclists in the UK – those who cycle at least once a week – are disproportionately likely to have a household income of at least £50,000 per year which means they almost certainly pay more towards road maintainance than the general population (1). In addition to this this, 83% of UK cyclists live in a household that pays VED in some form (2) anyway. The argument that cyclists pay no tax and therefore don't deserve to use the roads is rubbish. (1) https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2010/aug/10/cycling-boom-survey https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2010/aug/10/cyc... (2) https://www.eta.co.uk/2013/05/24/more-cyclists-pay-road-tax-than-car-drivers/ https://www.eta.co.uk/2013/05/24/more-cyclists-pay-road-tax-...
sgt101 6y ago
Fuel is heavily taxed - 75%

microcolonel 6y ago

> Thanks for all the lack of cycling paths and constant tax refund to car buyers I guess? I mean, given all of the specific taxes in the UK and its municipalities on automobile ownership and operation, I don't find it credible that "car buyers" benefit from a "constant tax refund". Also, as an outsider, I remember people chiding and undermining Boris Johnson as mayor of London when he tried investing in cycling in London, I literally heard expats making fun of it. > When you're unable to provide safe public transport Nobody manufactures any mass-market HVAC system for buildings or vehicles that can do continuous air sterilization at a rate that would reliably prevent the spread of this virus. I know how I would build this, but it isn't a standard component of any vehicle as of yet. They should demand vehicles like this now, but given that nobody has experienced this sort of thing since public transit was invented, I'm not that let down that public transport isn't safe during a pandemic.

pmontra 6y ago

If they want to limit cars usage there is no need of cycling paths. Two ways streets become one way on one lane, the other lane is for bicycles. It must be designed to let cars reach all destinations but there is plenty of space out there in our cities (UK and everywhere else) when cars don't take it away.

sgt101 6y ago

>Thanks for all the lack of cycling paths and constant tax refund to car buyers I guess? Well - the lack of safe public transport is due to this thing called "global pandemic". The scandal of public transport in the UK is not London. It is Birmingham and also some elements of the North West (connection of towns to greater Manchester in particular). BTW - car's pay big taxes in the UK via fuel duty - 75% of the cost of petrol is tax.