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> It's still a great workplace as long as you can discard politics. There are large swathes of people who can't just "discard politics" because they are direct

by jpdb 6y ago

> It's still a great workplace as long as you can discard politics. There are large swathes of people who can't just "discard politics" because they are directly affected by the current political status quo.

free_rms 6y ago
Sorry, but if you're talking about Googlers, that's bullshit, they're fine. 200k/yr, 300k/yr+ worth of fine. It's great to have empathy for people in a less fortunate position, and yes we have a lot of problems in our society, but FAANG software engineers are arguably the least oppressed people on the planet.
- jpdb 6y ago
  Is this a class reductionist argument? Are you saying, for example, a black women at Google doesn't deal with adversity and is no longer effected by politics because they make a large amount of money?
  - pas 6y ago
    Everyone is affected by "everything". Especially politics. People discussing it means they need to acknowledge how policies affect them and how it affects others, and is it good or bad "in general". Or is that a too naive view of what Googlers are supposed to be capable of?
  - xiphias2 6y ago
    Right now a hard working black woman would have much harder time kicking herself out of Google than a white man. Also women are especially encouraged to go for promotion, and as a white man it just made me want to put in the work to go for promotion less there. What I learned over time is that it's just better to work 8x5 days, don't do overtime/weekends, because it's not worth it anymore. For 8x5 hours of work Google is amazing.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > FAANG software engineers are arguably the least oppressed people on the planet. Heterosexual cisgender white christian male FAANG software engineers may be. Racism and other bigotry doesn't stop affecting you because of economic class or other social position of advantage orthogonal to the basis of the bigotry. Similarly, police officers are also a relatively privileged group of people, but 90% of mistaken identity shootings of off-duty police by police between 1982 and 2010 were shootings of black or hispanic officers.
  - hackissimo123 6y ago
    > 90% of mistaken identity shootings of off-duty police by police between 1982 and 2010 were shootings of black or hispanic officers. That's an interesting statistic. Can I have the source? (This is a genuine question, I'm not trying to cast doubt on what you said.)
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      I can't find the original report at the moment, but here's a news report on it that includes that particular statistic. I'll try to see if I can dig up the report later and post it if I can. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/nyregion/27shoot.html https://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/nyregion/27shoot.html

by jpdb 6y ago

free_rms 6y ago

Sorry, but if you're talking about Googlers, that's bullshit, they're fine. 200k/yr, 300k/yr+ worth of fine. It's great to have empathy for people in a less fortunate position, and yes we have a lot of problems in our society, but FAANG software engineers are arguably the least oppressed people on the planet.

jpdb 6y ago
Is this a class reductionist argument? Are you saying, for example, a black women at Google doesn't deal with adversity and is no longer effected by politics because they make a large amount of money?
- pas 6y ago
  Everyone is affected by "everything". Especially politics. People discussing it means they need to acknowledge how policies affect them and how it affects others, and is it good or bad "in general". Or is that a too naive view of what Googlers are supposed to be capable of?
- xiphias2 6y ago
  Right now a hard working black woman would have much harder time kicking herself out of Google than a white man. Also women are especially encouraged to go for promotion, and as a white man it just made me want to put in the work to go for promotion less there. What I learned over time is that it's just better to work 8x5 days, don't do overtime/weekends, because it's not worth it anymore. For 8x5 hours of work Google is amazing.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> FAANG software engineers are arguably the least oppressed people on the planet. Heterosexual cisgender white christian male FAANG software engineers may be. Racism and other bigotry doesn't stop affecting you because of economic class or other social position of advantage orthogonal to the basis of the bigotry. Similarly, police officers are also a relatively privileged group of people, but 90% of mistaken identity shootings of off-duty police by police between 1982 and 2010 were shootings of black or hispanic officers.
- hackissimo123 6y ago
  > 90% of mistaken identity shootings of off-duty police by police between 1982 and 2010 were shootings of black or hispanic officers. That's an interesting statistic. Can I have the source? (This is a genuine question, I'm not trying to cast doubt on what you said.)
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    I can't find the original report at the moment, but here's a news report on it that includes that particular statistic. I'll try to see if I can dig up the report later and post it if I can. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/nyregion/27shoot.html https://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/nyregion/27shoot.html