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I have to say when I took an extended layover in Doah it gave me a different sense of urgency about climate change. It was just oppressive to be outside, even

by skohan 7y ago

I have to say when I took an extended layover in Doah it gave me a different sense of urgency about climate change. It was just oppressive to be outside, even during the night and they air-condition their open air markets. It got me thinking that there are a lot of places like this which are probably on the edge, and where a few degrees of warming will make them simply uninhabitable to humans. It would be a strange thing to have "hot zones" like we have arctic regions where it's not possible to go without special equipment.

gonzo41 7y ago
Now is the time to buy a flat-ish block of land in Alaska or Tasmania that's a little back from the waters edge. Also make sure you don't have too many tree's too close to where you want to build your doomsday cabin. :) Really you don't be between the tropics of Cancer of Capricorn. in the future
- johnchristopher 7y ago
  When I think about such scenarios I can't help thinking that there might not be any social constructs left to enforce ownership of land :/. When I was a teen I was sure we were headed for a bad future if we didn't act but I always thought it'd come after I am dead. Now I am scared I am going to be old and too frail to manage when life on earth will turn sour. edit: maybe it's time we put out a a Pioneer 10 plate with messages of warning about our own failures. One we send to space, another one we leave on earth.
  - LifeLiverTransp 7y ago
    Lets make it a decent grave candle. A Lighttower in space. We start with something like hubble, capable to percieve planets by observation. We put the message into a laser encoded and shine it on planets in habitable zones of diffrent star systems, tracking the planet. If all works right, there should be giant discs of flickering light, racing with rotation speed over cloudy sky, broadcasting our history and warning. The ufos were we all along.
  - qqssccfftt 7y ago
    > When I think about such scenarios I can't help thinking that there might not be any social constructs left to enforce ownership of land :/. I can only hope so.
    - skohan 7y ago
      How do you imagine that working in practice? I mean I'm not saying the current structure is perfect, but if everyone had equal claim to land it seems like land usage disputes would just end up being resolved through violence
      - afandian 7y ago
        This is the current model. In many places the violence may be out of living memory, but it's generally all very recent.
        catawbasam 7y ago
        If it is out of living memory it isn't current.
        afandian 7y ago
        If the model establishes a system where the people who are prepared to use the most violence end up with the land, and a couple of generations their descendants still have the land, then IMHO the model is still in play. You could also argue that as the ownership is codified in laws and the state monopoly on violence keeps the oppressed in check, that threat of violence continues.
        fsloth 7y ago
        "If the model establishes a system where the people who are prepared to use the most violence end up with the land, and a couple of generations their descendants still have the land, then IMHO the model is still in play." This is not about land ownership. Alone. You are talking about exclusive political and economic systems. In an exclusive system it's not just the ownership of land that is broken - you will find all economic activity is rigged against some segment of the society. Most well to do states are have inclusive political and and economic systems. In these societies land ownership is based on land registration and enforceable contract law - not entitlement of birth and violence. I warmly recommend Daron Acemoglu's "Why nations fail" as it explains this topic far better than I ever could in a few sentences.
  - solids 7y ago
    I hope private ownership will remain the same, given the fact that climate change is gradual enough to keep the status quo (which is also a huge downside that prevents humanity in taking coordinate and efficient actions against it)
- crishoj 7y ago
  Now is the time to aggressively pursue reforestation, especially in the tropics.
  - coribuci 7y ago
    > Now is the time to aggressively pursue reforestation, especially in the tropics. Now it's already too late. And anyway, the only thing that is aggressively pursued in the tropics is war which has a catastrofic effect on the environment.
- angry-sw-dev 7y ago
  Alaska might end up seasonally uninhabitable -- they have periods of the year where the sun doesn't set, with increased greenhouse gases in the area it could become intensely hot for periods of the year. Combine that with periodic ozone holes that appear over arctic areas and it might be just as nasty as areas we worry over today... Areas near large bodies of stable fresh water are likely going to be livable for the longest periods as the planet rapidly shifts away from what we humans need.
- vwcx 7y ago
  Re: Alaska, beavers are already getting there first and exasperating the climate effects upon the tundra. A fascinating read: https://alaskatrekker.com/2017/11/beavers-moving-northern-alaska-due-climate-change/ https://alaskatrekker.com/2017/11/beavers-moving-northern-al...
  - dredmorbius 7y ago
    s/exasperating/exacerbating/ ;-)
    - vwcx 7y ago
      Thanks. I'm getting slopping here in the house with only a single conversation partner most days!
warranty 7y ago
You mean Doha, Qatar?
dweekly 6y ago
I'm assuming by Doah you meant Doha, Qatar?

by skohan 7y ago

gonzo41 7y ago

Now is the time to buy a flat-ish block of land in Alaska or Tasmania that's a little back from the waters edge. Also make sure you don't have too many tree's too close to where you want to build your doomsday cabin. :) Really you don't be between the tropics of Cancer of Capricorn. in the future

johnchristopher 7y ago
When I think about such scenarios I can't help thinking that there might not be any social constructs left to enforce ownership of land :/. When I was a teen I was sure we were headed for a bad future if we didn't act but I always thought it'd come after I am dead. Now I am scared I am going to be old and too frail to manage when life on earth will turn sour. edit: maybe it's time we put out a a Pioneer 10 plate with messages of warning about our own failures. One we send to space, another one we leave on earth.
- LifeLiverTransp 7y ago
  Lets make it a decent grave candle. A Lighttower in space. We start with something like hubble, capable to percieve planets by observation. We put the message into a laser encoded and shine it on planets in habitable zones of diffrent star systems, tracking the planet. If all works right, there should be giant discs of flickering light, racing with rotation speed over cloudy sky, broadcasting our history and warning. The ufos were we all along.
- qqssccfftt 7y ago
  > When I think about such scenarios I can't help thinking that there might not be any social constructs left to enforce ownership of land :/. I can only hope so.
  - skohan 7y ago
    How do you imagine that working in practice? I mean I'm not saying the current structure is perfect, but if everyone had equal claim to land it seems like land usage disputes would just end up being resolved through violence
    - afandian 7y ago
      This is the current model. In many places the violence may be out of living memory, but it's generally all very recent.
      - catawbasam 7y ago
        If it is out of living memory it isn't current.
        afandian 7y ago
        If the model establishes a system where the people who are prepared to use the most violence end up with the land, and a couple of generations their descendants still have the land, then IMHO the model is still in play. You could also argue that as the ownership is codified in laws and the state monopoly on violence keeps the oppressed in check, that threat of violence continues.
        fsloth 7y ago
        "If the model establishes a system where the people who are prepared to use the most violence end up with the land, and a couple of generations their descendants still have the land, then IMHO the model is still in play." This is not about land ownership. Alone. You are talking about exclusive political and economic systems. In an exclusive system it's not just the ownership of land that is broken - you will find all economic activity is rigged against some segment of the society. Most well to do states are have inclusive political and and economic systems. In these societies land ownership is based on land registration and enforceable contract law - not entitlement of birth and violence. I warmly recommend Daron Acemoglu's "Why nations fail" as it explains this topic far better than I ever could in a few sentences.
- solids 7y ago
  I hope private ownership will remain the same, given the fact that climate change is gradual enough to keep the status quo (which is also a huge downside that prevents humanity in taking coordinate and efficient actions against it)
crishoj 7y ago
Now is the time to aggressively pursue reforestation, especially in the tropics.
- coribuci 7y ago
  > Now is the time to aggressively pursue reforestation, especially in the tropics. Now it's already too late. And anyway, the only thing that is aggressively pursued in the tropics is war which has a catastrofic effect on the environment.
angry-sw-dev 7y ago
Alaska might end up seasonally uninhabitable -- they have periods of the year where the sun doesn't set, with increased greenhouse gases in the area it could become intensely hot for periods of the year. Combine that with periodic ozone holes that appear over arctic areas and it might be just as nasty as areas we worry over today... Areas near large bodies of stable fresh water are likely going to be livable for the longest periods as the planet rapidly shifts away from what we humans need.
vwcx 7y ago
Re: Alaska, beavers are already getting there first and exasperating the climate effects upon the tundra. A fascinating read: https://alaskatrekker.com/2017/11/beavers-moving-northern-alaska-due-climate-change/ https://alaskatrekker.com/2017/11/beavers-moving-northern-al...
- dredmorbius 7y ago
  s/exasperating/exacerbating/ ;-)
  - vwcx 7y ago
    Thanks. I'm getting slopping here in the house with only a single conversation partner most days!

warranty 7y ago

You mean Doha, Qatar?

dweekly 6y ago

I'm assuming by Doah you meant Doha, Qatar?