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But he did become an alt-right / Fox News / conservative machine darling.

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whatshisface 7y ago
Of course, "I have to hate it because opposing media likes it" is no more rational than "I have to like it because allied media likes it."
look_lookatme 7y ago
And Snowden defected to Russia. Sometimes you just have to go where you are free to state your case and not be shouted down which sometimes means an enemy-of-my-enemy scenario.
- seemslegit 7y ago
  Snowden did not "defect to Russia", he got stuck in Russia while in transit after the US cancelled his passport.
  - dijit 7y ago
    Seems like you and the parent are agreeing.
    - seemslegit 7y ago
      Maybe, but I think Snowden would have preferred to be pretty much anywhere else while Dammer was just too inexperienced to recognize that being popular in some circles is more of a liability than asset.
  - CydeWeys 7y ago
    And crucially, Snowden is as critical of Russia as possible, though not to the point of endangering himself. He doesn't want to be there. It's not where his allegiance ultimately lies.
    - seemslegit 7y ago
      That's not crucial at all, if he was a Russian asset he would have been behaving the same way - criticising Russia in ways that resonate with his audience to establish credibility but not in ways that actually pose any threat or embarrassment to Russia. But on the balance of publicly available evidence it seems far more likely he is stuck there due to lack of choice.
  - jki275 7y ago
    Your timeline is wrong. Snowden defected to Russia. https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-fable-of-edward-snowden-1483143143 https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-fable-of-edward-snowden...
    - seemslegit 7y ago
      login wall
    - mardifoufs 7y ago
      That's an opinion article.
      - jki275 7y ago
        It has a timeline. His passport was suspended while he was in Hong Kong. He did not travel to Moscow on his US passport, he travelled to Moscow on some other travel document. He’s a defector. I know this site is full of Snowden apologists, but for goodness sake you don’t have to swallow every easily disprovable lie he tells.
        seemslegit 7y ago
        Depending on the mechanics of passport cancellation it could have been both, that is the US could have issued a cancelation order while he was still in HK but HK either did not act on it in time or refused to honor it like it did with Snowden's arrest warrant. The fact that Russia did honor the passport cancellation and did not issue him an alternative travel document is more suggestive but would have been the same if Russia just wanted to hang on to him for the simple reasons of being Russia.
        jki275 7y ago
        No. Lol. You’re on the run from the US because you committed espionage, and you fly to Russia? That’s called defecting.
koheripbal 7y ago
If Fox praised Obama, would that immediately make him alt-right?
- azinman2 7y ago
  If over and over again they praised and held him up as a symbol fighting for some ideology they espoused, and some enemy (media/ideology also identified over and over) supposedly tried to silence him, then I suppose it’d be analogous? I’m not sure what that proves.
ekianjo 7y ago
You have to consider the possibility that they were the only people who he could actually talk to. Not that he wanted to be in such channels in the first place.
- convery 7y ago
  My first thought as well. You see liberals invited onto conservative outlets for genuine debates / opinions. Rarely see liberal outlets do the same as guilt by association, causing anyone who's ever been in the same room as an 'alt-right' to be tainted, seem to be rampant.
  - crowbahr 7y ago
    Most news agencies besides Fox struggle to get Republicans to agree to appear on the show. CNN famously lambasted Republican lawmakers for refusing to appear after the shootings in Dayton and El Paso last year. What you have described is that liberal lawmakers are willing to face adversarial news coverage while conservatives are unwilling to do so.
    - convery 7y ago
      The comment was not about lawmakers though, plenty of conservative pundits / people like Damore that want to share their stuff but are treated like they're radioactive.
      - fzeroracer 7y ago
        Damore was invited to share his thoughts by the media. By his own admission, he turned them down. So what exactly is your point in this scenario?
  - ausbah 7y ago
    "genuine debates" on conservative outlets, like what? Fox News? talk radio? a dingy YouTube channel?
sacks2k 7y ago
It's pretty well known that if you go on Fox news, the other news organizations like CNN, MSNBC, etc will ban you from their station. Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew have talked about this on their podcast and so have many other people interviewed by Fox news. This creates the false impression of "Fox News darlings" and ends up furthering the "us vs them" narrative.
- DonHopkins 7y ago
  Perhaps it's actually because Dr. Drew, Dr. Oz, and Dr. Phil are dangerous self-promoting quacks who dispense deadly medical advice, and CNN, MSNBC, etc have a problem with that, but Fox News loves it. Looks like CNN etc made the right call. https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/04/17/dr-oz-dr-drew-dr-phil-fox-news-misleading-claims-orig.cnn-business https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/04/17/dr-oz-dr-... >Dr. Oz, Dr. Drew and Dr. Phil made these claims on Fox News. Now they're backtracking >TV hosts Dr. Mehmet Oz, Dr. Drew Pinsky and Phil McGraw have all appeared on Fox News and made these misleading claims about coronavirus. Now, all of them are backtracking.
  - manigandham 7y ago
    CNN had Richard Spencer, the nationally recognized neo-nazi white supremacist, on prime time. As of 2020, there is no mainstream news that has any reputation for moral superiority and truth.
bobmcbobface 7y ago
Ironic
lawnchair_larry 7y ago
So did liberal professor Bret Weinstein when the extremist mob attacked him in Washington for daring to show up to teach while being white. As in Damore’s case, this says more about the mob than the subject.

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Of course, "I have to hate it because opposing media likes it" is no more rational than "I have to like it because allied media likes it."

look_lookatme 7y ago

And Snowden defected to Russia. Sometimes you just have to go where you are free to state your case and not be shouted down which sometimes means an enemy-of-my-enemy scenario.

seemslegit 7y ago
Snowden did not "defect to Russia", he got stuck in Russia while in transit after the US cancelled his passport.
- dijit 7y ago
  Seems like you and the parent are agreeing.
  - seemslegit 7y ago
    Maybe, but I think Snowden would have preferred to be pretty much anywhere else while Dammer was just too inexperienced to recognize that being popular in some circles is more of a liability than asset.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  And crucially, Snowden is as critical of Russia as possible, though not to the point of endangering himself. He doesn't want to be there. It's not where his allegiance ultimately lies.
  - seemslegit 7y ago
    That's not crucial at all, if he was a Russian asset he would have been behaving the same way - criticising Russia in ways that resonate with his audience to establish credibility but not in ways that actually pose any threat or embarrassment to Russia. But on the balance of publicly available evidence it seems far more likely he is stuck there due to lack of choice.
- jki275 7y ago
  Your timeline is wrong. Snowden defected to Russia. https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-fable-of-edward-snowden-1483143143 https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-fable-of-edward-snowden...
  - seemslegit 7y ago
    login wall
  - mardifoufs 7y ago
    That's an opinion article.
    - jki275 7y ago
      It has a timeline. His passport was suspended while he was in Hong Kong. He did not travel to Moscow on his US passport, he travelled to Moscow on some other travel document. He’s a defector. I know this site is full of Snowden apologists, but for goodness sake you don’t have to swallow every easily disprovable lie he tells.
      - seemslegit 7y ago
        Depending on the mechanics of passport cancellation it could have been both, that is the US could have issued a cancelation order while he was still in HK but HK either did not act on it in time or refused to honor it like it did with Snowden's arrest warrant. The fact that Russia did honor the passport cancellation and did not issue him an alternative travel document is more suggestive but would have been the same if Russia just wanted to hang on to him for the simple reasons of being Russia.
        jki275 7y ago
        No. Lol. You’re on the run from the US because you committed espionage, and you fly to Russia? That’s called defecting.

koheripbal 7y ago

If Fox praised Obama, would that immediately make him alt-right?

azinman2 7y ago
If over and over again they praised and held him up as a symbol fighting for some ideology they espoused, and some enemy (media/ideology also identified over and over) supposedly tried to silence him, then I suppose it’d be analogous? I’m not sure what that proves.

ekianjo 7y ago

You have to consider the possibility that they were the only people who he could actually talk to. Not that he wanted to be in such channels in the first place.

convery 7y ago
My first thought as well. You see liberals invited onto conservative outlets for genuine debates / opinions. Rarely see liberal outlets do the same as guilt by association, causing anyone who's ever been in the same room as an 'alt-right' to be tainted, seem to be rampant.
- crowbahr 7y ago
  Most news agencies besides Fox struggle to get Republicans to agree to appear on the show. CNN famously lambasted Republican lawmakers for refusing to appear after the shootings in Dayton and El Paso last year. What you have described is that liberal lawmakers are willing to face adversarial news coverage while conservatives are unwilling to do so.
  - convery 7y ago
    The comment was not about lawmakers though, plenty of conservative pundits / people like Damore that want to share their stuff but are treated like they're radioactive.
    - fzeroracer 7y ago
      Damore was invited to share his thoughts by the media. By his own admission, he turned them down. So what exactly is your point in this scenario?
- ausbah 7y ago
  "genuine debates" on conservative outlets, like what? Fox News? talk radio? a dingy YouTube channel?

sacks2k 7y ago

It's pretty well known that if you go on Fox news, the other news organizations like CNN, MSNBC, etc will ban you from their station. Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew have talked about this on their podcast and so have many other people interviewed by Fox news. This creates the false impression of "Fox News darlings" and ends up furthering the "us vs them" narrative.

DonHopkins 7y ago
Perhaps it's actually because Dr. Drew, Dr. Oz, and Dr. Phil are dangerous self-promoting quacks who dispense deadly medical advice, and CNN, MSNBC, etc have a problem with that, but Fox News loves it. Looks like CNN etc made the right call. https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/04/17/dr-oz-dr-drew-dr-phil-fox-news-misleading-claims-orig.cnn-business https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/04/17/dr-oz-dr-... >Dr. Oz, Dr. Drew and Dr. Phil made these claims on Fox News. Now they're backtracking >TV hosts Dr. Mehmet Oz, Dr. Drew Pinsky and Phil McGraw have all appeared on Fox News and made these misleading claims about coronavirus. Now, all of them are backtracking.
- manigandham 7y ago
  CNN had Richard Spencer, the nationally recognized neo-nazi white supremacist, on prime time. As of 2020, there is no mainstream news that has any reputation for moral superiority and truth.

bobmcbobface 7y ago

Ironic

lawnchair_larry 7y ago

So did liberal professor Bret Weinstein when the extremist mob attacked him in Washington for daring to show up to teach while being white. As in Damore’s case, this says more about the mob than the subject.