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You only need to open enough envelopes to get the result you want and then throw the rest in the trash. Some mail in ballots have party identification on them,

by rpiguy 6y ago

You only need to open enough envelopes to get the result you want and then throw the rest in the trash. Some mail in ballots have party identification on them, so you can ignore envelopes from the opposing party. Identification is based on signature matching (that your signature matches the one when you registered). According to the ACLU thousands of mail-in ballots get thrown out in California just because of a perceived signature mismatch. https://www.courthousenews.com/california-trashes-thousands-mail-ballots-aclu-says/ https://www.courthousenews.com/california-trashes-thousands-... You can mail in a ballot and then go vote in person on Election Day, or have another ballot "harvested" from you by a canvaser. Anyone (spouse, significant other, parent) could take your ballot, fill it out, sign it, and mail it in. Human beings are terrible, and the idea that somehow that a partisan board of elections would be above this stuff is laughable. Everything in politics is corrupt, the corruption isn't suspended on Election Day. People should only be allowed to vote in-person with an ID, unless they have a disability that otherwise prevents them from doing so.

wpietri 6y ago
You do realize that other people have already thought about these concerns, right? And have taken specific action to address them? Many of these are a problem with in-person voting as well. None of us actually see our ballots getting added to the global total, so in theory somebody could just throw out the votes they don't like. Somebody could easily impersonate voters. Somebody could go vote in multiple places. Somebody could just threaten people with a gun and say they'll shoot them if they don't vote the right way. But in practice these are not a big problem. That's partly because election officials and election nerds are not dummies. And it's partly because that all is illegal, and shifting vote totals enough to win an election with the safeguards in place is at best very difficult.

by rpiguy 6y ago

wpietri 6y ago

You do realize that other people have already thought about these concerns, right? And have taken specific action to address them? Many of these are a problem with in-person voting as well. None of us actually see our ballots getting added to the global total, so in theory somebody could just throw out the votes they don't like. Somebody could easily impersonate voters. Somebody could go vote in multiple places. Somebody could just threaten people with a gun and say they'll shoot them if they don't vote the right way. But in practice these are not a big problem. That's partly because election officials and election nerds are not dummies. And it's partly because that all is illegal, and shifting vote totals enough to win an election with the safeguards in place is at best very difficult.