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I wish more of these note taking apps were fully encrypted. I know RR can encrypt parts of notes, but it's not the same. It's probably paranoia, but if I'm jou

by iamben 6y ago

I wish more of these note taking apps were fully encrypted. I know RR can encrypt parts of notes, but it's not the same. It's probably paranoia, but if I'm journaling my life, business ideas, thoughts on contacts - I just want it to be encrypted on my devices before it goes into the cloud. I want each device to sync and decrypt locally.

fastball 6y ago
For an online-first service (where all your notes aren't living on your device at one time necessarily), encryption makes it impossible to do a full-text search of your content.
- Terretta 6y ago
  “Encryption makes it impossible to do a full text search of your content” (where all notes aren’t necessarily on your device at one time)? And yet Apple Photos does full image library search for your friends’ faces, while not having to have all photos on your device. Two common ways to do this: (a) bring each piece of content to the client device just long enough to add it to an on-device index, (b) let the clients update and re-sync an encrypted global index as content is added locally. As Apple puts it: ”One of the best things about Photos is how it protects your privacy. iOS and iPadOS are designed to take advantage of the powerful processor built into every iPhone and iPad. So when you search your photos, for instance, all the face recognition and scene and object detection are done completely on your device.” With Photos, Apple scans and builds the index locally on device, per method (a). If you enable iCloud Photos, it will also sync the index of fingerprints to labels in (b) style so your names, favorites, and key photos match across devices. Apple’s quite tickled at making this available to you as a dev: ”On-device intelligence: Apple uses machine learning to enhance your experience — and your privacy — by using on-device processing so other people don’t see your data. We’ve used it for on-device image and scene recognition in Photos, predictive text in keyboards, and more. For example, the A13 Bionic chip and the Neural Engine in iPhone can recognize patterns, make predictions, and learn from experience, similar to the way you do. So your device can create personalized experiences without having to analyze personal information on Apple servers. Developers can use our frameworks, such as Create ML and Core ML, to create powerful new app experiences that don’t require your data to leave your device. That means apps can analyze user sentiment, classify scenes, translate text, recognize handwriting, predict text, tag music, and more without putting your privacy at risk.”
  - fastball 6y ago
    Fair point. Impossible was too strong. Very, very difficult is more accurate. Tagging faces is much easier than FTS as well, as photos don't change (or you assume they don't change in terms of "who is in this photo"), where as your notes might be changing quite frequently. Also you're gonna have 1-5 faces per photo max, where as with FTS you're gonna need to store a lot more than that per "note".
- iamben 6y ago
  I spend 99.9% of my screen time on my phone or laptop, I'd be quite content with an app for each of them. I assume at that point both could run from some kind of database that gets synced between the devices and stored in the cloud? Potentially a big download on a "new" device, but that's ok (and maybe the option not to sync large notes when setting up a new device). At very worst you could offer access to the notes in the cloud (for those times when you're absolutely desperate), but no full text search? Just thinking out loud!
daralthus 6y ago
In moo.do this is the default.

by iamben 6y ago

fastball 6y ago

For an online-first service (where all your notes aren't living on your device at one time necessarily), encryption makes it impossible to do a full-text search of your content.

Terretta 6y ago
“Encryption makes it impossible to do a full text search of your content” (where all notes aren’t necessarily on your device at one time)? And yet Apple Photos does full image library search for your friends’ faces, while not having to have all photos on your device. Two common ways to do this: (a) bring each piece of content to the client device just long enough to add it to an on-device index, (b) let the clients update and re-sync an encrypted global index as content is added locally. As Apple puts it: ”One of the best things about Photos is how it protects your privacy. iOS and iPadOS are designed to take advantage of the powerful processor built into every iPhone and iPad. So when you search your photos, for instance, all the face recognition and scene and object detection are done completely on your device.” With Photos, Apple scans and builds the index locally on device, per method (a). If you enable iCloud Photos, it will also sync the index of fingerprints to labels in (b) style so your names, favorites, and key photos match across devices. Apple’s quite tickled at making this available to you as a dev: ”On-device intelligence: Apple uses machine learning to enhance your experience — and your privacy — by using on-device processing so other people don’t see your data. We’ve used it for on-device image and scene recognition in Photos, predictive text in keyboards, and more. For example, the A13 Bionic chip and the Neural Engine in iPhone can recognize patterns, make predictions, and learn from experience, similar to the way you do. So your device can create personalized experiences without having to analyze personal information on Apple servers. Developers can use our frameworks, such as Create ML and Core ML, to create powerful new app experiences that don’t require your data to leave your device. That means apps can analyze user sentiment, classify scenes, translate text, recognize handwriting, predict text, tag music, and more without putting your privacy at risk.”
- fastball 6y ago
  Fair point. Impossible was too strong. Very, very difficult is more accurate. Tagging faces is much easier than FTS as well, as photos don't change (or you assume they don't change in terms of "who is in this photo"), where as your notes might be changing quite frequently. Also you're gonna have 1-5 faces per photo max, where as with FTS you're gonna need to store a lot more than that per "note".
iamben 6y ago
I spend 99.9% of my screen time on my phone or laptop, I'd be quite content with an app for each of them. I assume at that point both could run from some kind of database that gets synced between the devices and stored in the cloud? Potentially a big download on a "new" device, but that's ok (and maybe the option not to sync large notes when setting up a new device). At very worst you could offer access to the notes in the cloud (for those times when you're absolutely desperate), but no full text search? Just thinking out loud!

daralthus 6y ago

In moo.do this is the default.