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How would mail in voting even work with voter ID? Voter fraud has never been seen in any meaningful level in the US. Worries about it are a fiction concocted b

by untog 6y ago

How would mail in voting even work with voter ID? Voter fraud has never been seen in any meaningful level in the US. Worries about it are a fiction concocted by those who would really rather as few people vote as possible.

Alupis 6y ago
> Voter fraud has never been seen in any meaningful level in the US It's also a very difficult thing to track if there's almost no verification happening at the ballot box. It often gets tossed around that there's this very low level of fraud right now. The truth is we just don't actually know and have no meaningful way of finding out.
- untog 6y ago
  So, we don’t know for sure if there is a problem at all. But we absolutely should stop people from voting safely in a pandemic in case there is a problem? What about every other method of voting? Do we know voting machines used across the country are safe? Why the sudden concern now?
  - Alupis 6y ago
    This measure will last far longer than the pandemic. We can be arguing two different things: 1) Signatures are not a good proof of identity 2) We should require government ID for proof of identity > Why the sudden concern now? It's not. This has been a debate for at least a decade if not more.
    - untog 6y ago
      You still haven’t answered how government IDs would be checked as part of mail in voting. If they can’t be then you’re forcing people to risk their health in order to vote in person. > This has been a debate for at least a decade if not more And in that time there has been zero evidence of voter fraud at any kind of scale that would effect the outcome of an election.
      - Alupis 6y ago
        Do you risk your health going to the grocery store? How is it any different? These measures will far outlast the coronavirus. Why check signatures even? If there's no level of voter fraud to be concerned with, why throw out tens of thousands of ballots because the signature didn't match? Was that all voter fraud, or just an incompetent system?

by untog 6y ago

Alupis 6y ago

> Voter fraud has never been seen in any meaningful level in the US It's also a very difficult thing to track if there's almost no verification happening at the ballot box. It often gets tossed around that there's this very low level of fraud right now. The truth is we just don't actually know and have no meaningful way of finding out.

untog 6y ago
So, we don’t know for sure if there is a problem at all. But we absolutely should stop people from voting safely in a pandemic in case there is a problem? What about every other method of voting? Do we know voting machines used across the country are safe? Why the sudden concern now?
- Alupis 6y ago
  This measure will last far longer than the pandemic. We can be arguing two different things: 1) Signatures are not a good proof of identity 2) We should require government ID for proof of identity > Why the sudden concern now? It's not. This has been a debate for at least a decade if not more.
  - untog 6y ago
    You still haven’t answered how government IDs would be checked as part of mail in voting. If they can’t be then you’re forcing people to risk their health in order to vote in person. > This has been a debate for at least a decade if not more And in that time there has been zero evidence of voter fraud at any kind of scale that would effect the outcome of an election.
    - Alupis 6y ago
      Do you risk your health going to the grocery store? How is it any different? These measures will far outlast the coronavirus. Why check signatures even? If there's no level of voter fraud to be concerned with, why throw out tens of thousands of ballots because the signature didn't match? Was that all voter fraud, or just an incompetent system?