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> signature is checked to verify it is yours Are you sure? That doesn’t seem right. How are they verifying it?

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birken 6y ago
With voter ID, how do poll workers verify the person on the ID is you? The answer is the same. They look at it. This isn't rocket science.
- Alupis 6y ago
  A government issued ID complete with matching home address and picture is a LOT more difficult to fake than just some scribbling on a piece of paper. Even better - swiping the card and running the data on the magstrip on the back and comparing to what the government has on that ID is almost impossible to forge. Who didn't forge their parent's signature in grade school once in a while? It's trivial to fake signatures - particularly since most people aren't trained Graphologists. Heck, my local grocery store requires me to swipe my government issued ID just to prove my age to buy some beer... they scan your government issued ID to get into some bars and clubs even... but we won't allow that at the voting booth?
  - nodesocket 6y ago
    Not only that, but aren't they volunteers who tend to be elderly? I can't imagine they have any training to remotely compare signatures.
    - birken 6y ago
      So the same volunteers who aren't able to compare 2 signatures are also your impenetrable line of defense looking at the tiny picture and tiny writing on a photo ID and verifying the ID is valid and it is the same person.
      - Alupis 6y ago
        They can scan the ID like they do at grocery stores, bars, gun stores and more. Pretty darn close to impossible to fake that.
  - triceratops 6y ago
    > Who didn't forge their parent's signature in grade school once in a while? True. But a malicious actor would need to forge hundreds or thousands of signatures convincingly. And firstly get their hands on the signature database.
    - Alupis 6y ago
      Or just make up signatures that have the person's name in them. I highly, highly doubt and am very skeptical of this supposed signature database and how well it can verify a person's signature. It just sounds like hocus pocus to me.
      - triceratops 6y ago
        > I highly, highly doubt and am very skeptical of this supposed signature database Why? California DMV has your signature on file when you get a driver's license. > how well it can verify a person's signature. I think people do that, not software.
        Alupis 6y ago
        > California DMV has your signature on file when you get a driver's license. They make you sign on a small digital screen that barely registers your pen movements. The one on my license looks like a 3 year old drew some scribbles on it. It definitely doesn't resemble my pen-and-paper signature and I can't be alone in that. > I think people do that, not software. How can they get through 15-30 million ballots in anything resembling a timely manner? This entire thing sounds made up it's so absurd.
kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
They get your signature when you register. States that don't use ID at polling stations have big books with everyone's signature in them so the worker can compare against one you write on site.
- Alupis 6y ago
  Those big books are your name and home address which were used to make sure you were in the correct voting location. Then you signed the book in front of the ballot person as a sort of "proof" the information was correct and you were voting. So basically, it's just an honor system. One could theoretically vote in the morning under your real name, then come back in the afternoon and vote again as your neighbor - so long as you beat them there.
  - kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
    NJ and NY have a copy of the actual signature.
mjcl 6y ago
They compare it to the signature on your registration form.

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With voter ID, how do poll workers verify the person on the ID is you? The answer is the same. They look at it. This isn't rocket science.

Alupis 6y ago
A government issued ID complete with matching home address and picture is a LOT more difficult to fake than just some scribbling on a piece of paper. Even better - swiping the card and running the data on the magstrip on the back and comparing to what the government has on that ID is almost impossible to forge. Who didn't forge their parent's signature in grade school once in a while? It's trivial to fake signatures - particularly since most people aren't trained Graphologists. Heck, my local grocery store requires me to swipe my government issued ID just to prove my age to buy some beer... they scan your government issued ID to get into some bars and clubs even... but we won't allow that at the voting booth?
- nodesocket 6y ago
  Not only that, but aren't they volunteers who tend to be elderly? I can't imagine they have any training to remotely compare signatures.
  - birken 6y ago
    So the same volunteers who aren't able to compare 2 signatures are also your impenetrable line of defense looking at the tiny picture and tiny writing on a photo ID and verifying the ID is valid and it is the same person.
    - Alupis 6y ago
      They can scan the ID like they do at grocery stores, bars, gun stores and more. Pretty darn close to impossible to fake that.
- triceratops 6y ago
  > Who didn't forge their parent's signature in grade school once in a while? True. But a malicious actor would need to forge hundreds or thousands of signatures convincingly. And firstly get their hands on the signature database.
  - Alupis 6y ago
    Or just make up signatures that have the person's name in them. I highly, highly doubt and am very skeptical of this supposed signature database and how well it can verify a person's signature. It just sounds like hocus pocus to me.
    - triceratops 6y ago
      > I highly, highly doubt and am very skeptical of this supposed signature database Why? California DMV has your signature on file when you get a driver's license. > how well it can verify a person's signature. I think people do that, not software.
      - Alupis 6y ago
        > California DMV has your signature on file when you get a driver's license. They make you sign on a small digital screen that barely registers your pen movements. The one on my license looks like a 3 year old drew some scribbles on it. It definitely doesn't resemble my pen-and-paper signature and I can't be alone in that. > I think people do that, not software. How can they get through 15-30 million ballots in anything resembling a timely manner? This entire thing sounds made up it's so absurd.

kevin_thibedeau 6y ago

They get your signature when you register. States that don't use ID at polling stations have big books with everyone's signature in them so the worker can compare against one you write on site.

Alupis 6y ago
Those big books are your name and home address which were used to make sure you were in the correct voting location. Then you signed the book in front of the ballot person as a sort of "proof" the information was correct and you were voting. So basically, it's just an honor system. One could theoretically vote in the morning under your real name, then come back in the afternoon and vote again as your neighbor - so long as you beat them there.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
  NJ and NY have a copy of the actual signature.

mjcl 6y ago

They compare it to the signature on your registration form.