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Take a long view.AMD and others suffered through the 45nm delays at TSMC and they benefit from the acceleration currently. Intel is a very odd company, and for

Take a long view.AMD and others suffered through the 45nm delays at TSMC and they benefit from the acceleration currently. Intel is a very odd company, and for all that there are truly brilliant people there, it feels increadingly like IBM of 2003.

dralley 6y ago
TSMC 20nm failed process as well.
- my123 6y ago
  TSMC 20nm didn't fail, it could be made in volume just fine, even if thermals were a bit disappointing. The bigger TSMC failure was on 32nm, which had to be killed outright.
  - dralley 6y ago
    I just remember that AMD and Nvidia canceled their plans to use 20nm for GPUs and skipped straight to 14/16nm.
UncleOxidant 6y ago
Having spent a few years inside of Intel, it's a company paralyzed by meetings and meetings about meetings. People seem to be afraid to make any decisions so they have meetings to talk about the decisions that need to be made and then schedule more meetings to follow up. Working there felt like swimming in molasses. People who come into the company with any experience realize that it's a mess, try to change things in their area, meet resistance and after a while just give up and leave. That's probably why they mostly hire NCGs at this point.
Rury 6y ago
>it feels increasingly like IBM of 2003 Probably explained by: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VBqTViEx4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VBqTViEx4 On another point. I'm not sure how much this is true, but I've read that most of AMD's chips are made from the same basic building blocks, and their different CPUs are mostly just a matter of how many these blocks are stitched together along with whatever tuning/other hardware. Such a design is probably very scalable, which simplifies manufacturing and reduces costs. Whereas I heard intel chips have more separate customizations requiring more separate tooling for each of their chipsets, which complicates manufacturing...

dralley 6y ago

TSMC 20nm failed process as well.

my123 6y ago
TSMC 20nm didn't fail, it could be made in volume just fine, even if thermals were a bit disappointing. The bigger TSMC failure was on 32nm, which had to be killed outright.
- dralley 6y ago
  I just remember that AMD and Nvidia canceled their plans to use 20nm for GPUs and skipped straight to 14/16nm.

UncleOxidant 6y ago

Having spent a few years inside of Intel, it's a company paralyzed by meetings and meetings about meetings. People seem to be afraid to make any decisions so they have meetings to talk about the decisions that need to be made and then schedule more meetings to follow up. Working there felt like swimming in molasses. People who come into the company with any experience realize that it's a mess, try to change things in their area, meet resistance and after a while just give up and leave. That's probably why they mostly hire NCGs at this point.

Rury 6y ago

>it feels increasingly like IBM of 2003 Probably explained by: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VBqTViEx4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VBqTViEx4 On another point. I'm not sure how much this is true, but I've read that most of AMD's chips are made from the same basic building blocks, and their different CPUs are mostly just a matter of how many these blocks are stitched together along with whatever tuning/other hardware. Such a design is probably very scalable, which simplifies manufacturing and reduces costs. Whereas I heard intel chips have more separate customizations requiring more separate tooling for each of their chipsets, which complicates manufacturing...