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The chapters on the USA in history books of 2030 are going to be so heavy to read: << Chocked by 9/11, they decided to implicitly discard the Habeas Corpus by

The chapters on the USA in history books of 2030 are going to be so heavy to read: << Chocked by 9/11, they decided to implicitly discard the Habeas Corpus by installing the Patriot Act and officially autorize torture. A temporary measure that never got revoked. Then, they went to war on the other side on the globe, spending a trillion of dollars, against the UN vote, lying about WMD. Meanwhile, they setup mass surveillance of their own people, and ruthlessly attacked the ones speaking against it. They elected Bush twice, and Trump, reinforcing every day anti-intellectualism, fear, agressivity and violence as part of the country culture. The medias, including news outlets and tv shows, followed since this is what brought the biggest audience. Injustice rose. While the poor had a hard time even getting decent health treatment or diet and the black community compose most inmate population, milked by a privatized social system, the powerful are exonerated from accountability: rogue cops are not condamned, the Panama papers lead to nowhere, Esptein died in prison, brankrupt giants are bailed out with peoople's money and Trump was never impeached, staying the center of attention. Finally, the covid-19 outbreak stuck the country in recession, rendering tens of millions of people incapable of producing revenue, tanking the oil price, and elevating social tensions. >> Since the US peace keepers seems to have a licence to kill, this is not going to end well. I'm glad I'm in Europe watching the show from afar. You have all my compassion.

OldFatCactus 6y ago
little hyperbolic and a tad too smug I think. I believe history will be a little kinder, all things considered.
- lidHanteyk 6y ago
  Look at current encyclopedia articles covering these topics [0][1][2][3][4][5] and see for yourself what sort of facts are headed for the history books. Parent is being very gentle on our neoconservative, neocolonialist, fascist, disappointing legacy. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisone... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus_in_the_United_States#Habeas_corpus_in_the_21st_Century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus_in_the_United_St... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Unite... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_Group [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_St...
  - OldFatCactus 6y ago
    You can find just as many atrocities and missteps of the law by scrutinizing other 1st world countries. The West as a whole benefits from the system that America has created and protects. History books will give just as much a shit about this era as they have any other and while America has the most dirt on her face, nobody is clean.
    - lidHanteyk 6y ago
      That's not where your original goalposts were; you were talking about historical retrospectives of the USA in particular. You've now shifted to whataboutism [0] in order to try to minimize the USA's misdeeds. Meanwhile, I've already shown you what's in existing encyclopedic materials covering recent USA history. What, precisely, do you think I've failed to articulate or contextualize? Do you think that the USA's torture, war crimes, and mass surveillance are somehow excusable merely because other states also commit such atrocities? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
      - OldFatCactus 6y ago
        No, sorry, my original comment wasn't super clear. I only meant that, in the context of world events of this era, history won't overly scrutinize the USA while it seems to be a generally Western problem. Not interested in getting into a back and forth pasting Wikipedia articles, sorry dude

OldFatCactus 6y ago

little hyperbolic and a tad too smug I think. I believe history will be a little kinder, all things considered.

lidHanteyk 6y ago
Look at current encyclopedia articles covering these topics [0][1][2][3][4][5] and see for yourself what sort of facts are headed for the history books. Parent is being very gentle on our neoconservative, neocolonialist, fascist, disappointing legacy. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisone... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus_in_the_United_States#Habeas_corpus_in_the_21st_Century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus_in_the_United_St... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Unite... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_Group [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_St...
- OldFatCactus 6y ago
  You can find just as many atrocities and missteps of the law by scrutinizing other 1st world countries. The West as a whole benefits from the system that America has created and protects. History books will give just as much a shit about this era as they have any other and while America has the most dirt on her face, nobody is clean.
  - lidHanteyk 6y ago
    That's not where your original goalposts were; you were talking about historical retrospectives of the USA in particular. You've now shifted to whataboutism [0] in order to try to minimize the USA's misdeeds. Meanwhile, I've already shown you what's in existing encyclopedic materials covering recent USA history. What, precisely, do you think I've failed to articulate or contextualize? Do you think that the USA's torture, war crimes, and mass surveillance are somehow excusable merely because other states also commit such atrocities? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
    - OldFatCactus 6y ago
      No, sorry, my original comment wasn't super clear. I only meant that, in the context of world events of this era, history won't overly scrutinize the USA while it seems to be a generally Western problem. Not interested in getting into a back and forth pasting Wikipedia articles, sorry dude