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Wow, that's a long complaint-blog for $5! The cheapest new mac is $699 and the install DVD comes with XCode 3. Pretty sure new macs will come with XCode 4 prei

Wow, that's a long complaint-blog for $5! The cheapest new mac is $699 and the install DVD comes with XCode 3. Pretty sure new macs will come with XCode 4 preinstalled. I don't see how this is a problem. Even if you are building a Hackintosh, you're pirating OSX anyhow so pirating XCode too doesn't seem so far fetched. I have to use iPhoto'08 since that's what my Mac came with. But they just released iPhoto '11! Should I also write a long blog post complaining how Macs are not for normal people that take photos? XCode is just another app: it costs money to create and maintain and they charge for major revisions. Same as OSX, iLife apps, iWork, etc.

zzzmarcus 16y ago
OP isn't complaining about the price, or at least not principally. He's complaining about the 4gb download, the 15gb of HDD and the time of installing Xcode just to get gcc. The price is just another barrier to entry to add to the list before you're up and running.
- fierarul 16y ago
  Well, technically this Xcode doesn't come just with gcc, it has the iOS SDK too. For example, on my machine I see this: du -h -d 1 /Developer/Platforms/ 10M /Developer/Platforms//MacOSX.platform 4.4G /Developer/Platforms//iPhoneOS.platform 4.2G /Developer/Platforms//iPhoneSimulator.platform 8.5G /Developer/Platforms/ Of the 10GB the /Developer folder takes, about 8GB are the iOS stuff. It seems normal they would bundle these since if you are downloading XCode, pretty sure you are doing Objective-C for iOS. 4GB is a big download and it does take space and it does take a while to install. But frankly, most people should be able to manage this quite nicely (and maybe even find a way to take back some of that space). If anything, the whole thing deserves a tweet not a huge blog post.
  - angrycoder 16y ago
    You are missing the point, the only way to get gcc on your mac is to install some version of Xcode.
    - fierarul 16y ago
      I see I keep getting downvoted but I'll bite: why should Apple distribute GCC in some other way? The subset of people that need GCC on OSX but can't handle the whole XCode is probably pretty small. Why not try Fink (http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/gcc45 http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/gcc45 ) instead of expecting Apple to provide that?
k33l0r 16y ago
Direct quote from the post: It’s not about the money

zzzmarcus 16y ago

OP isn't complaining about the price, or at least not principally. He's complaining about the 4gb download, the 15gb of HDD and the time of installing Xcode just to get gcc. The price is just another barrier to entry to add to the list before you're up and running.

fierarul 16y ago
Well, technically this Xcode doesn't come just with gcc, it has the iOS SDK too. For example, on my machine I see this: du -h -d 1 /Developer/Platforms/ 10M /Developer/Platforms//MacOSX.platform 4.4G /Developer/Platforms//iPhoneOS.platform 4.2G /Developer/Platforms//iPhoneSimulator.platform 8.5G /Developer/Platforms/ Of the 10GB the /Developer folder takes, about 8GB are the iOS stuff. It seems normal they would bundle these since if you are downloading XCode, pretty sure you are doing Objective-C for iOS. 4GB is a big download and it does take space and it does take a while to install. But frankly, most people should be able to manage this quite nicely (and maybe even find a way to take back some of that space). If anything, the whole thing deserves a tweet not a huge blog post.
- angrycoder 16y ago
  You are missing the point, the only way to get gcc on your mac is to install some version of Xcode.
  - fierarul 16y ago
    I see I keep getting downvoted but I'll bite: why should Apple distribute GCC in some other way? The subset of people that need GCC on OSX but can't handle the whole XCode is probably pretty small. Why not try Fink (http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/gcc45 http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/gcc45 ) instead of expecting Apple to provide that?

k33l0r 16y ago

Direct quote from the post: It’s not about the money