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> making it easier for some people siphon other's people data even more I guess you mean someone could easily steal your data, etc? I agree, it's a tradeoff, w

> making it easier for some people siphon other's people data even more I guess you mean someone could easily steal your data, etc? I agree, it's a tradeoff, would be interesting to explore how to make it more secure. > Having people play unguided with their own data is like giving uranium to little kids Well, handling Uranium is a bit different. Can you elaborate on some specific examples? I've seen people misusing statistics, and drawing misleading conclusions, sure. But even more people are using anecdata and broscience, which I think is worse.

GistNoesis 6y ago
Not even stealing some data is needed. Just sharing publicly some data, may leak information that can be used against you. Bots do build profiles and will happily ingest any information you give. If your top ten "most interesting Slate Star Codex" contains certain keywords, they will flag you in their database. >Can you elaborate on some specific examples? -People having sport injury from those sport performance training app. Their knowing of their data made them push-themselves past their limits. -Little kids getting bad marks, and assuming they are just bad and not persevering. Their knowing made thing worse. -Hypochondriacs becoming ill from the stress of all the illnesses they think they have. -People doing weight loss badly focusing too much on the scale. -Musk tweets :) -People censoring themselves from knowing that having an unpopular position will cost them karma points. As soon as you make a system self reflective, you impact it in profound ways. You generate some reinforcing feedback loops. That tend to either break the stability resulting in chaos, or tend to lock it into a specific behavior from which it's hard to escape.
- karlicoss 6y ago
  Ah I see what you mean. Yeah, absolutely, an aggergate system would enable such behaviours. I guess it comes down to a personal level of paranoia. And to the old question "Is ignorance bliss?", for which people had very different answers long before the software.

GistNoesis 6y ago

Not even stealing some data is needed. Just sharing publicly some data, may leak information that can be used against you. Bots do build profiles and will happily ingest any information you give. If your top ten "most interesting Slate Star Codex" contains certain keywords, they will flag you in their database. >Can you elaborate on some specific examples? -People having sport injury from those sport performance training app. Their knowing of their data made them push-themselves past their limits. -Little kids getting bad marks, and assuming they are just bad and not persevering. Their knowing made thing worse. -Hypochondriacs becoming ill from the stress of all the illnesses they think they have. -People doing weight loss badly focusing too much on the scale. -Musk tweets :) -People censoring themselves from knowing that having an unpopular position will cost them karma points. As soon as you make a system self reflective, you impact it in profound ways. You generate some reinforcing feedback loops. That tend to either break the stability resulting in chaos, or tend to lock it into a specific behavior from which it's hard to escape.

karlicoss 6y ago
Ah I see what you mean. Yeah, absolutely, an aggergate system would enable such behaviours. I guess it comes down to a personal level of paranoia. And to the old question "Is ignorance bliss?", for which people had very different answers long before the software.