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People are dying in their homes both from not going to the hospital and from suicide. This isn't just about whether people are killed by one particular virus.

TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
Those numbers are tiny compared to the virus deaths, and even more tiny compared to the death rate if the virus was simply allowed to cull as many people as possible.
- guscost 7y ago
  CDC is estimating that a little less than 40% of the excess deaths in the past few weeks were not caused by COVID-19: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
  - tsbinz 7y ago
    That is not what I get from this page. > These deaths could represent misclassified COVID-19 deaths, or potentially could be indirectly related to COVID-19 (e.g., deaths from other causes occurring in the context of health care shortages or overburdened health care systems). That is not saying "those deaths were not caused by COVID-19". They explicitly mention that these could be misclassified.
    - guscost 7y ago
      Nice catch, thanks. Most of them are not, you'll find out: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/patients-with-heart-attacks-strokes-and-even-appendicitis-vanish-from-hospitals/2020/04/19/9ca3ef24-7eb4-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/patients-with-heart-at... https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/05/04/coronavirus-covid-19-massachusetts-fatal-crashes-rate-doubled-april-massdot/ https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/05/04/coronavirus-covid-19-... https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-queens-suicide-rates-increase-20200429-mqyzdplseva5belmqewn43u56i-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-queen...
- ravenstine 7y ago
  I don't think I've even seen anyone figure out what that number is. On HN there have recently been articles posted that suggest that nobody actually knows how many people are dying. How did you conclude that non-virus lockdown deaths are "tiny"?
taneq 7y ago
Depending on which country you're talking about, maybe it's also about having a humane and compassionate healthcare system.
- makomk 7y ago
  This isn't restricted to one country. The UK is one of the few countries with universal tax-funded healthcare that's free at the point of use, and we're still having problems with people dying in their homes rather than going to the hospital due to fear of the coronavirus.

TheOtherHobbes 7y ago

Those numbers are tiny compared to the virus deaths, and even more tiny compared to the death rate if the virus was simply allowed to cull as many people as possible.

guscost 7y ago
CDC is estimating that a little less than 40% of the excess deaths in the past few weeks were not caused by COVID-19: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
- tsbinz 7y ago
  That is not what I get from this page. > These deaths could represent misclassified COVID-19 deaths, or potentially could be indirectly related to COVID-19 (e.g., deaths from other causes occurring in the context of health care shortages or overburdened health care systems). That is not saying "those deaths were not caused by COVID-19". They explicitly mention that these could be misclassified.
  - guscost 7y ago
    Nice catch, thanks. Most of them are not, you'll find out: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/patients-with-heart-attacks-strokes-and-even-appendicitis-vanish-from-hospitals/2020/04/19/9ca3ef24-7eb4-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/patients-with-heart-at... https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/05/04/coronavirus-covid-19-massachusetts-fatal-crashes-rate-doubled-april-massdot/ https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/05/04/coronavirus-covid-19-... https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-queens-suicide-rates-increase-20200429-mqyzdplseva5belmqewn43u56i-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-queen...
ravenstine 7y ago
I don't think I've even seen anyone figure out what that number is. On HN there have recently been articles posted that suggest that nobody actually knows how many people are dying. How did you conclude that non-virus lockdown deaths are "tiny"?

taneq 7y ago

Depending on which country you're talking about, maybe it's also about having a humane and compassionate healthcare system.

makomk 7y ago
This isn't restricted to one country. The UK is one of the few countries with universal tax-funded healthcare that's free at the point of use, and we're still having problems with people dying in their homes rather than going to the hospital due to fear of the coronavirus.