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What part of their narration is unreliable ?
by rihegher 6y ago
What part of their narration is unreliable ?
- yostrovs 6y agoIn January they said the virus doesn't transmit between humans. Then they said travel restrictions are xenophobic. Then they said the world should thank China for its efforts.
- lizardking 6y agoA representative also pretended his audio went out when asked about Taiwan.
- yostrovs 6y agoYes, and when he came back and was asked about Taiwan again, he said he already discussed China and ended the conversation. Taiwan doesn't exist according to WHO.
- tirpen 6y agoTaiwan is not a member of the UN so WHO kind of have to act that way. It sucks, but that's a problem with the UN, not with WHO specifically.
- yostrovs 6y agoWHO, being staffed by scientists, should recognize that Taiwan indeed exists, that it has its own government that responded to the pandemic, and that China is not in charge there. Pretending otherwise leads to losing credibility, as everyone knows Taiwan does indeed exist. I've actually seen it.
- tirpen 6y agoPretending that horribly complex geopolitical issues are simple does not magically make them simple.
- Nursie 6y agoPerhaps you could inform your own government? Unless you happen to live in one of a handful of central American, Caribbean or South American states which do recognise it. It's a f*cking minefield, if you'll pardon the language, and I can't blame scientists who don't want to touch it with a fifty foot pole.
- blackoil 6y agoUN does not recognize Taiwan and WHO is part of it.
- yostrovs 6y agoWHO, being staffed by scientists, should recognize that Taiwan indeed exists, that it has its own government that responded to the pandemic, and that China is not in charge there. Pretending otherwise leads to losing credibility, as everyone knows Taiwan does indeed exist. I've actually seen it.
- ghostDancer 6y agoScientists should recognize because it exists but the politicians and governments that pay those scientist don't have to recognize Taiwan because they live in Wonderland I guess. Your logic is impeccable.
- jansan 6y agoThis still does not justify this bizarre behavior by the WHO representative.
- ElectronShak 6y agoFebruary 1st to be specific, that was when they tweeted that it doesn't transmit between humans.
- bkor 6y agoThe tweet was different though (and AFAIK, much earlier): "Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China." It clearly mentions that they're relaying what Chinese authorities are saying. If you read e.g. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/09/trump-vs-who/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/09/trump-vs-... the timeline of things is quite different than what you state. I also don't see how this influenced anything. It took almost every country way too long to respond. Loads of countries thought it'll be fine for them.
- pfortuny 6y agoLike most of what is not strictly “scientific “ (quoted because this term is being abused so much today that it would be hilarious were it not for the inflicted suffering). And no: just trying to clear China’s laboratories from guilt is NOT scientific.
- rihegher 6y agoI think I'm missing something here, which chinese laboratory would be guilty of what? Are you talking the claim the virus has been engineered in a lab? If so I think there is a consensus of scientits that reckon it is not the case.
- Scarblac 6y agoIn the same city district as the wet market that was visited by a number of the first cases, there is a Chinese laboratory that does research on bat coronaviruses, and that has had accidents and international criticism on its safety in the past. It is hard to provide evidence, but the accusation is that it somehow originated there. Scientists seem to agree that it isn't an engineered virus, but that doesn't mean it isn't a wild virus first transmitted from bats to humans in that lab.
- jml7c5 6y agoThe lab you are describing is 13 km away from the market.
- h91wka 6y agoThis is a misleading statement. There is consensus that there are no traces of gene editing in the virus. But this statement is not equal to "it wasn't produced in the lab".
- assblaster 6y agoThey said wearing masks does not help decrease infectious spread. They actually claimed that wearing masks can increase infectious spread because of improperly wearing it.
- Nursie 6y agoThere is ongoing debate about this because the evidence shows only a small positive effect for wearing them, and mask wearing can change behaviour.
- assblaster 6y agoThere is no debate. Healthcare workers are invariably wearing masks around all patients, regardless of known COVID19 status. It is simply irresponsible to claim that wearing masks offers only marginal benefit. This is a respiratory virus, it is transmitted by droplets. The downvoting of this plain truth ought to scare anyone who values science over politics.
- Nursie 6y agoHealthcare workers wear masks of a known quality, which they have fit tested, and they know how long to use them and when to dispose of them. They wear them as part of a full protective strategy along with other context-appropriate equipment and have training to know how to conduct themselves in the situation too. You can't just claim the same benefits for an old piece of t-shirt stretched across your face. An old piece of t-shirt which may give you a false sense of security and lead you to take risks and get closer to other people, and which may make you touch your face more, and which you may not clean or replace etc etc...
- jansan 6y agoThere has been masks around for more than 100 years to protect from infectious diseases. Why is this still an ongoing debate?
- Nursie 6y ago