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School should be like onboarding tutorials for a game. You've just signed into the greatest MMORPG ever. This is planet Earth. You chose the Human species. You

School should be like onboarding tutorials for a game. You've just signed into the greatest MMORPG ever. This is planet Earth. You chose the Human species. You were randomly spawned in this country, which is here. You share this world with these other players and critters. Here's some of the common technology we use, and the basics of how it works, made possible by the players working in these professions. There are limited resources, for now, but there are other worlds out there. What would you like to do?

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op03 7y ago
If its done well people would never leave school :)
- satysin 7y ago
  One of the issues I have with todays world is this attitude most have to stopping education once you hit ~21 for the majority of people. I genuinely believe the world would be a better place if we had as much support for people in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, to go back into education as we do for 18-21 year olds going to university. I didn't have the opportunity to go to university at 18 for a number of reasons (some fault of my own and some not) and would love to go now but it just isn't realistic without negatively impacting my life (mostly financially) for a few years. Sure you can argue "if you really wanted to do it you would" and that is a fair point but I don't feel the struggle should be so high. Why can't we make it easier for someone in their 30s or 40s, for example, to get a degree and change the direction of their life? So many people are where they are now and cannot change that because the start of their life was disadvantaged through no fault of their own. Now they are adults, give them the chance to be more. I know I know I am being idealistic but I just hate seeing people with so much potential going to waste because they lost some geographic/privilege lottery at birth. While I have questions regarding things like UBI I do hope that with automation changing how we work that we invest more in education for older people as well.
  - leetcrew 7y ago
    > Sure you can argue "if you really wanted to do it you would" and that is a fair point but I don't feel the struggle should be so high. Why can't we make it easier for someone in their 30s or 40s, for example, to get a degree and change the direction of their life? So many people are where they are now and cannot change that because the start of their life was disadvantaged through no fault of their own. Now they are adults, give them the chance to be more. in your opinion, what exactly makes it harder for an older person to go back and get a degree? AFAIK, all the same loans are available to older folks. if someone in their forties were actually willing to live like a college kid for four years, it seems like they would at least be on the same financial footing as kids that don't get support from their parents. is it that the opportunity cost is higher, since they have at least some earning potential already?
mattbee 7y ago
If you ask my 7yo: Skip Tutorial. Become Super Saiyan.
- saiya-jin 7y ago
  Take an inspiration from 'existing' ones - extremely hard and focused work on your goals, no excuses, no slacking. As with most things in real world, you need some talent/genes to start with but that alone won't get you there
- Razengan 7y ago
  That's good! A perfectly reasonable ambition. Now let's figure out how to make that happen. :)
  - mattbee 7y ago
    Give the lockdown a few more weeks, his hair is getting there ;)
- bluntfang 7y ago
  If your 7yo really likes DBZ and wants to become Super Saiyan, isn't this a good moment to help teach your kid that it took Goku years of training before he could do that? Get him started on workout routines, just like young Goku in the original DB.
  - geomark 7y ago
    This. My son recently discovered Saitama, aka One Punch Man. Now he is crazy about doing the One Punch Man workout - 100 situps, pushups, pullups, etc, etc and running 10km per day. He has actually achieved the 100 situps milestone, still a ways to go on the others. And he insists I do it with him, which is a bonus.
NikolaeVarius 7y ago
Start ganking people in High Sec. High Reward, low risk.
- wffurr 7y ago
  Concordokken is permanent in this one, though. Not sure the same risk calculus applies.
- ObsoleteNerd 7y ago
  o7
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jordanpg 7y ago
Yeah, but then how would you accomplish the real goal of (American) education: ranking students and teachers according to some number? /sarcasm
decasteve 7y ago
~50 years ago, Buckminster Fuller called this the ‘World Game’. Its objective: Make the world work, for 100% of humanity, in the shortest possible time, through spontaneous cooperation, without ecological offense or the disadvantage of anyone.
- Razengan 7y ago
  I'm disappointed this is the first time I'm hearing of that! > without ecological offense I'm glad that clause is explicitly included. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Game
searchableguy 7y ago
Slightly related, why do kids have so less influence in what they are being taught? Because they don't know what they should learn to become a wagie at FAANG? Help me understand why parents try to push the same life they had on their kids. It seems fairly hypocritical to want better life for your kids while forcing them into an education path to a 9-7 job and never doing anything about the system.
- kabouseng 7y ago
  Let me be the one risking your ire and criticize your and GP viewpoints... Let me start off by asking if either yourself or GP have kids of your own, and just mention for a short moment, talking about how hypocritical parents are, while judging them while not having kids of your own, well... The fact is, kids take up a lot of your time, and I mean really a lot. No you are not prepared for how much of your time kids take up. While you decided to have kids, you still have hopes and ambitions of your own, and would still like to be the master of how you spend your own time to some degree. So in order for sanity to prevail, and for parents to be able to work a job and not have to look after their kids the whole time, society created the schooling system. This systems main purpose is to take care of the children while the parents can earn an income, and the secondary purpose is to provide an education while looking after the kids. Can this system be optimised? Sure. But who has time? Certainly not the parents. And the points I am making above, are being realised by a hell of a lot of parents trying to work from home while having to home school the kids at the same time...
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  - chrismorgan 7y ago
    What people have been doing recently is radically different from what has been called “home schooling” for many years. Home schooling is where parents provide their children with the education, whereas what’s going on in many places now is a form of distance learning, where the educator is elsewhere; in this instance, the parents are taking the role of enforcer.
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op03 7y ago

If its done well people would never leave school :)

satysin 7y ago
One of the issues I have with todays world is this attitude most have to stopping education once you hit ~21 for the majority of people. I genuinely believe the world would be a better place if we had as much support for people in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, to go back into education as we do for 18-21 year olds going to university. I didn't have the opportunity to go to university at 18 for a number of reasons (some fault of my own and some not) and would love to go now but it just isn't realistic without negatively impacting my life (mostly financially) for a few years. Sure you can argue "if you really wanted to do it you would" and that is a fair point but I don't feel the struggle should be so high. Why can't we make it easier for someone in their 30s or 40s, for example, to get a degree and change the direction of their life? So many people are where they are now and cannot change that because the start of their life was disadvantaged through no fault of their own. Now they are adults, give them the chance to be more. I know I know I am being idealistic but I just hate seeing people with so much potential going to waste because they lost some geographic/privilege lottery at birth. While I have questions regarding things like UBI I do hope that with automation changing how we work that we invest more in education for older people as well.
- leetcrew 7y ago
  > Sure you can argue "if you really wanted to do it you would" and that is a fair point but I don't feel the struggle should be so high. Why can't we make it easier for someone in their 30s or 40s, for example, to get a degree and change the direction of their life? So many people are where they are now and cannot change that because the start of their life was disadvantaged through no fault of their own. Now they are adults, give them the chance to be more. in your opinion, what exactly makes it harder for an older person to go back and get a degree? AFAIK, all the same loans are available to older folks. if someone in their forties were actually willing to live like a college kid for four years, it seems like they would at least be on the same financial footing as kids that don't get support from their parents. is it that the opportunity cost is higher, since they have at least some earning potential already?

mattbee 7y ago

If you ask my 7yo: Skip Tutorial. Become Super Saiyan.

saiya-jin 7y ago
Take an inspiration from 'existing' ones - extremely hard and focused work on your goals, no excuses, no slacking. As with most things in real world, you need some talent/genes to start with but that alone won't get you there
Razengan 7y ago
That's good! A perfectly reasonable ambition. Now let's figure out how to make that happen. :)
- mattbee 7y ago
  Give the lockdown a few more weeks, his hair is getting there ;)
bluntfang 7y ago
If your 7yo really likes DBZ and wants to become Super Saiyan, isn't this a good moment to help teach your kid that it took Goku years of training before he could do that? Get him started on workout routines, just like young Goku in the original DB.
- geomark 7y ago
  This. My son recently discovered Saitama, aka One Punch Man. Now he is crazy about doing the One Punch Man workout - 100 situps, pushups, pullups, etc, etc and running 10km per day. He has actually achieved the 100 situps milestone, still a ways to go on the others. And he insists I do it with him, which is a bonus.

NikolaeVarius 7y ago

Start ganking people in High Sec. High Reward, low risk.

wffurr 7y ago
Concordokken is permanent in this one, though. Not sure the same risk calculus applies.
ObsoleteNerd 7y ago
o7
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jordanpg 7y ago

Yeah, but then how would you accomplish the real goal of (American) education: ranking students and teachers according to some number? /sarcasm

decasteve 7y ago

~50 years ago, Buckminster Fuller called this the ‘World Game’. Its objective: Make the world work, for 100% of humanity, in the shortest possible time, through spontaneous cooperation, without ecological offense or the disadvantage of anyone.

Razengan 7y ago
I'm disappointed this is the first time I'm hearing of that! > without ecological offense I'm glad that clause is explicitly included. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Game

searchableguy 7y ago

Slightly related, why do kids have so less influence in what they are being taught? Because they don't know what they should learn to become a wagie at FAANG? Help me understand why parents try to push the same life they had on their kids. It seems fairly hypocritical to want better life for your kids while forcing them into an education path to a 9-7 job and never doing anything about the system.

kabouseng 7y ago
Let me be the one risking your ire and criticize your and GP viewpoints... Let me start off by asking if either yourself or GP have kids of your own, and just mention for a short moment, talking about how hypocritical parents are, while judging them while not having kids of your own, well... The fact is, kids take up a lot of your time, and I mean really a lot. No you are not prepared for how much of your time kids take up. While you decided to have kids, you still have hopes and ambitions of your own, and would still like to be the master of how you spend your own time to some degree. So in order for sanity to prevail, and for parents to be able to work a job and not have to look after their kids the whole time, society created the schooling system. This systems main purpose is to take care of the children while the parents can earn an income, and the secondary purpose is to provide an education while looking after the kids. Can this system be optimised? Sure. But who has time? Certainly not the parents. And the points I am making above, are being realised by a hell of a lot of parents trying to work from home while having to home school the kids at the same time...
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- chrismorgan 7y ago
  What people have been doing recently is radically different from what has been called “home schooling” for many years. Home schooling is where parents provide their children with the education, whereas what’s going on in many places now is a form of distance learning, where the educator is elsewhere; in this instance, the parents are taking the role of enforcer.
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