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Or even better New employee workflow at company Z 1. Install the Jetbtains toolbox 2. Have IDEs for several languages with consistent features and semantics.

Or even better New employee workflow at company Z 1. Install the Jetbtains toolbox 2. Have IDEs for several languages with consistent features and semantics. 3. Minimal to no configuration needed 4. Profit.

adrianN 6y ago
I can use 40% more cores when compiling than my CLion using colleagues because vim doesn't need 10GB of RAM. I tried using CLion, but it was just too slow. Maybe I was holding it wrong.
- enitihas 6y ago
  Off-course, if majority of your time is spent compiling gigantic C++ codebases, more power to you for using VIM. CPU load in code compilation hasn't been the bottleneck I ever faced and I think this applies to most folks. Plus CLion doesn't just arbitrarily start consuming CPU, if it is not doing indexing(and VIM simply can't do the kind of indexing that CLion does), it doesn't consume much CPU. In the idle state, it consumes very little CPU. Then again, some seconds of CPU might be a good tradeoff against productivity in some scenarios.
  - adrianN 6y ago
    I don't spend the majority of my time compiling (a decent chunk though!), but then again, I also don't spend a large part of my time doing the complex refactorings that an IDE would make much easier. I don't think either vim or clion has dramatic advantages over the other.
- erikbye 6y ago
  The last time I used a Jetbrains product, it took several seconds to simply open the IDEs Settings page. I'm not kidding, several seconds. Sometimes it would also completely freeze up for seconds when Java's GC kicked in. Great experience...
Grue3 6y ago
Lol, tell that to my coworkers who take days trying to fix some problem with their Pycharm, while I just keep coding on my trusty Emacs.
- enitihas 6y ago
  What is the problem that take days to fix with Pycharm. Just curious. I have been using Jetbrains products for 5-6 years now, and have never faced a problem which took days to fix. Sure, there were some bugs here and there, but no showstoppers, and all were already filed in their bug tracker before I could file them. Also, Pycharm does far more than even a heavily customized .emacs can do (I used to have one very custom emacs setup). There is simply no comparison feature wise. Not to mention, things that emacs can do, Pycharm should be doing in even a very problematic bug ridden state.
arvinsim 6y ago
My progression in editors was something like Sublime -> GVim -> Spacemacs -> VSCode -> Jetbrains. After all those years, there are 2 main takeaways for me. 1. I love modal editing, not necessarily Vim 2. My time is better spent doing actual work or enjoying my hobbies than fiddling around with configurations.

adrianN 6y ago

I can use 40% more cores when compiling than my CLion using colleagues because vim doesn't need 10GB of RAM. I tried using CLion, but it was just too slow. Maybe I was holding it wrong.

enitihas 6y ago
Off-course, if majority of your time is spent compiling gigantic C++ codebases, more power to you for using VIM. CPU load in code compilation hasn't been the bottleneck I ever faced and I think this applies to most folks. Plus CLion doesn't just arbitrarily start consuming CPU, if it is not doing indexing(and VIM simply can't do the kind of indexing that CLion does), it doesn't consume much CPU. In the idle state, it consumes very little CPU. Then again, some seconds of CPU might be a good tradeoff against productivity in some scenarios.
- adrianN 6y ago
  I don't spend the majority of my time compiling (a decent chunk though!), but then again, I also don't spend a large part of my time doing the complex refactorings that an IDE would make much easier. I don't think either vim or clion has dramatic advantages over the other.
erikbye 6y ago
The last time I used a Jetbrains product, it took several seconds to simply open the IDEs Settings page. I'm not kidding, several seconds. Sometimes it would also completely freeze up for seconds when Java's GC kicked in. Great experience...

Grue3 6y ago

Lol, tell that to my coworkers who take days trying to fix some problem with their Pycharm, while I just keep coding on my trusty Emacs.

enitihas 6y ago
What is the problem that take days to fix with Pycharm. Just curious. I have been using Jetbrains products for 5-6 years now, and have never faced a problem which took days to fix. Sure, there were some bugs here and there, but no showstoppers, and all were already filed in their bug tracker before I could file them. Also, Pycharm does far more than even a heavily customized .emacs can do (I used to have one very custom emacs setup). There is simply no comparison feature wise. Not to mention, things that emacs can do, Pycharm should be doing in even a very problematic bug ridden state.

arvinsim 6y ago

My progression in editors was something like Sublime -> GVim -> Spacemacs -> VSCode -> Jetbrains. After all those years, there are 2 main takeaways for me. 1. I love modal editing, not necessarily Vim 2. My time is better spent doing actual work or enjoying my hobbies than fiddling around with configurations.