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Don't you worry, the US pays in kind.
by FpUser 7y ago
Don't you worry, the US pays in kind.
- hadtodoit 7y agoThankfully the US isn't a communist dictatorship
- TallGuyShort 7y agoCan you define the characteristics of a communist dictatorship that are relevant here? Not the economic ones per se, but the ones that make you nervous about spying and media control.
- MattGaiser 7y agoA state that is not above its own law.
- TallGuyShort 7y agoSo generally, you feel that when the executive branch exceeds it's power or circumvents checks and balances, that those responsible are prosecuted?
- MattGaiser 7y agoNo, just that there is such a concept as "exceeds its power" to the point that when they do, their decisions are not legally valid. A governor/President cannot go and throw a bunch of journalists in jail. Even if he did, the courts would let them out again. In a communist dictatorship, there is no power outside the executive.
- nyolfen 7y agoputting minorities in concentration camps and state sanctioned ip theft are probably worth considering
- TallGuyShort 7y agoSo like, the way America did with the Japanese? And I support enforcement of borders, but the conditions for detention of illegal immigrants has drawn recent comparisons. Not as bad as communist countries, of course, but not much of a moral high ground either.
- jhwang5 7y agoIn the U.S., we send them to private prisons instead and make them do free labor.
- sergers 7y agoWhile I dont quite agree, this made me laugh... Touche To an extent this is true, except china has USA beat hands down still with the camps
- tialaramex 7y agoYa, Japanese internment is _exactly_ why other countries are sceptical of this supposed American commitment to liberty. The important thing to note is that America interned _American Citizens_ merely because they had Japanese ancestry. Just like America's habit of executing its own citizens (including juveniles) and torturing its own citizens, we can't have any faith in your country treating our own people well when it sees fit to teat its own people worse than dirt. Britain interned German citizens in WW2 (but only a relatively small proportion of them). But Britain never even considered interning its own citizens for having German ancestors. What sort of message would that send?
- waste_monk 7y agoThere's a pretty big difference between internment camps and literally keeping prisoners so you can harvest organs from them (without anaesthetic, often fatally) on demand, my dude. Not that America hasn't done a lot of bad stuff, but they definately do have a significant moral high ground over China.
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- jay_kyburz 7y agoWe'll I don't know about the US, but I imagine it would be pretty hard to make somebody "disappear" here in Australia. I imagine out independent media would help get the word out. Although we do have the "Witness K" indecent here in Australia. The media can't tell us much of that, but we do know about it. Sort of.
- russellbeattie 7y agoAlso, if you're a Prime Minister going for a swim...
- diziet 7y agoAn American tells a Russian that the United States is so free that he can stand in front of the White House and yell, “To hell with Ronald Reagan.” The Russian replies: “This is nothing. I can stand in front of the Kremlin and yell, ‘To hell with Ronald Reagan,’ too.
- wolco 7y agoDictatorships need to control the population I would mostly be worried about the kgb (the secret police). The disappearing in the middle of the night never to be seen again would make me nervous. The beatings or listening to phone calls or bugging of rooms were common. I wouldn't want to challenge the government if I owned a media company because it will be taken away. Same with any business. Ever have a business (store) be taken from you/your family and given to others who are more friendly with those in power? It happened to my grandfather in Hungry.
- austincummings 7y agoThis sort of comment is so tiring to see. There is an obvious difference.
- TomMckenny 7y agoIt's absurd to compare the US to China because: 1: It's not the topic 2: it's a blatant falacy 3: it distracts from the main point adding unneeded emotionalism and 4: Even with it's current slide toward Eastern European style strongman state, it's not remotely as bad to it's people.
- softwarejosh 7y agodirectly but they sure fucked up covid compared to a lost of east asian countries.
- TomMckenny 7y agoyeah, dictatorships and leaders with and autocratic mentality like to downplay disasters. An obviously harmful policy.
- FpUser 7y agoI did not say anything about treatment of it's own people. I was talking about propaganda.
- TomMckenny 7y agoPerhaps the propaganda efforts are comparable but I submit that it is a topic separate form Chinese censorship that extends well outside China. Likewise, in a discussion of US propaganda, to bring up Chinese censorship as a rebuttal would be a strangely off topic distraction.
- FpUser 7y agoWell whenever anything related to China is being discussed the "but they imprison dissidents/disappear people/etc" almost always comes up right away but since China (and for that sake Russia as well) are "bad" it is Ok to distract. I do not like what China is doing to their people. But I also do not like our western self righteous hypocrisy. Do we really need to feel good about us doing bad things if somebody else is worse? By that logic let's take some African country and call China a saint.
- throwphoton 7y agoPlease submit those stories to HN!
- FpUser 7y agoDon't you watch Hollywood's production?