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17,000 tons of uranium is less than a 10x10x10 meter cube of uranium. The US already has a disposal site constructed in the desert, but we're not using it yet.

17,000 tons of uranium is less than a 10x10x10 meter cube of uranium. The US already has a disposal site constructed in the desert, but we're not using it yet. Europe also has a dig in Finland. Most of it stays on site because there's so little of it to store.

Krasnol 6y ago
No, it stays on side because it's either not transportable (see Asse) or, as I said: there is no space for it. FYI: Finland is not like an US state only because it's part of Europe. It's an independent country and they will not take foreign nuclear waste. PS. those 17.000 tons are just the highly radioactive material. All together it will be 280.000 cubic meters when we're finished decommissioning.
- manfredo 6y ago
  What's hard about transporting it? The US manages to ship these just fine [1]. These casks can be transported via semi truck and shipping container [2]. Maybe Europe doesn't have as good waste container standardization. 1 https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/5-fast-facts-about-spent-nuclear-fuel https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/5-fast-facts-about-spent-... 2. http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2015/ph241/avery-w2/images/f1big.jpg http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2015/ph241/avery-w2/images... Replies in comment, since HN is limiting my work VPN or something like that. > Is this a straw man or did you really not understand what I wrote? From your comment: > No, it stays on side because it's either not transportable (see Asse) You explicitly brought up ease of transport. > I also put something in there. This word in the brackets. You might have googled it up where you'd come upon pictures like that: https://media1.faz.net/ppmedia/aktuell/1203828188/1.3595409/.. https://media1.faz.net/ppmedia/aktuell/1203828188/1.3595409/.... Instead, you chose to ignore the complete rest of the comment and all the comments I wrote before and only wrote a completely irrelevant answer to something you did not understand. Congratulations for this derailment. You claimed that transportation was a barrier to storing nuclear waste, by cherry picking one specific failure. And I refuted this claim by pointing out that plenty of the world's largest nuclear operators transport waste just fine. This isn't derailment, quite the opposite. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onkalo_spent_nuclear_fuel_repository https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onkalo_spent_nuclear_fuel_repo... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_r...
  - Krasnol 6y ago
    Is this a straw man or did you really not understand what I wrote? Nobody want this shit. There is no place to transport it. None. We have to sit on it for millennia. Transport is not the issue here. @your edit: >You explicitly brought up ease of transport. I also put something in there. This word in the brackets. You might have googled it up where you'd come upon pictures like that: https://media1.faz.net/ppmedia/aktuell/1203828188/1.3595409/mmobject-still_full/drunter-und-drueber-geht-es-in.jpg https://media1.faz.net/ppmedia/aktuell/1203828188/1.3595409/... Instead, you chose to ignore the complete rest of the comment and all the comments I wrote before and only wrote a completely irrelevant answer to something you did not understand. Congratulations for this derailment. EOD.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
      Should have countered that with links to Castor, and pictures of the mass demonstrations we have, when those are rolling. You know, like people cementing their arms or legs into rail tracks, dangling down from bridges over the tracks, and the huuuuge mass of police escorting that convoy on foot, thereby essentially making the transportation pedestrian, speedwise. edit: but probably he wouldn't get it, because AFAIK that Yucca Mountian is unused for the same reasons as here. Local opposition... edit: I don't know what to make to your picture of the Asse. THAT just shows our incompetence to responsible handling of the stuff. Maybe they are only full of old "Putzlappen"?
- ac29 6y ago
  > FYI: Finland is not like an US state only because it's part of Europe. It's an independent country and they will not take foreign nuclear waste. For what its worth, this isnt too far off from reality in the US. Nevada is a US state, but they wont take "foreign" nuclear waste from other states (and they dont generate their own, in part because water is scarce in the state). Intermediary states dont want to have waste transported through their borders either. edit: in case it wasnt clear, the US has a partially constructed waste depo in Nevada that was abandoned a decade ago for largely political reasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_r...
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Krasnol 6y ago

No, it stays on side because it's either not transportable (see Asse) or, as I said: there is no space for it. FYI: Finland is not like an US state only because it's part of Europe. It's an independent country and they will not take foreign nuclear waste. PS. those 17.000 tons are just the highly radioactive material. All together it will be 280.000 cubic meters when we're finished decommissioning.

manfredo 6y ago
What's hard about transporting it? The US manages to ship these just fine [1]. These casks can be transported via semi truck and shipping container [2]. Maybe Europe doesn't have as good waste container standardization. 1 https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/5-fast-facts-about-spent-nuclear-fuel https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/5-fast-facts-about-spent-... 2. http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2015/ph241/avery-w2/images/f1big.jpg http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2015/ph241/avery-w2/images... Replies in comment, since HN is limiting my work VPN or something like that. > Is this a straw man or did you really not understand what I wrote? From your comment: > No, it stays on side because it's either not transportable (see Asse) You explicitly brought up ease of transport. > I also put something in there. This word in the brackets. You might have googled it up where you'd come upon pictures like that: https://media1.faz.net/ppmedia/aktuell/1203828188/1.3595409/.. https://media1.faz.net/ppmedia/aktuell/1203828188/1.3595409/.... Instead, you chose to ignore the complete rest of the comment and all the comments I wrote before and only wrote a completely irrelevant answer to something you did not understand. Congratulations for this derailment. You claimed that transportation was a barrier to storing nuclear waste, by cherry picking one specific failure. And I refuted this claim by pointing out that plenty of the world's largest nuclear operators transport waste just fine. This isn't derailment, quite the opposite. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onkalo_spent_nuclear_fuel_repository https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onkalo_spent_nuclear_fuel_repo... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_r...
- Krasnol 6y ago
  Is this a straw man or did you really not understand what I wrote? Nobody want this shit. There is no place to transport it. None. We have to sit on it for millennia. Transport is not the issue here. @your edit: >You explicitly brought up ease of transport. I also put something in there. This word in the brackets. You might have googled it up where you'd come upon pictures like that: https://media1.faz.net/ppmedia/aktuell/1203828188/1.3595409/mmobject-still_full/drunter-und-drueber-geht-es-in.jpg https://media1.faz.net/ppmedia/aktuell/1203828188/1.3595409/... Instead, you chose to ignore the complete rest of the comment and all the comments I wrote before and only wrote a completely irrelevant answer to something you did not understand. Congratulations for this derailment. EOD.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
    Should have countered that with links to Castor, and pictures of the mass demonstrations we have, when those are rolling. You know, like people cementing their arms or legs into rail tracks, dangling down from bridges over the tracks, and the huuuuge mass of police escorting that convoy on foot, thereby essentially making the transportation pedestrian, speedwise. edit: but probably he wouldn't get it, because AFAIK that Yucca Mountian is unused for the same reasons as here. Local opposition... edit: I don't know what to make to your picture of the Asse. THAT just shows our incompetence to responsible handling of the stuff. Maybe they are only full of old "Putzlappen"?
ac29 6y ago
> FYI: Finland is not like an US state only because it's part of Europe. It's an independent country and they will not take foreign nuclear waste. For what its worth, this isnt too far off from reality in the US. Nevada is a US state, but they wont take "foreign" nuclear waste from other states (and they dont generate their own, in part because water is scarce in the state). Intermediary states dont want to have waste transported through their borders either. edit: in case it wasnt clear, the US has a partially constructed waste depo in Nevada that was abandoned a decade ago for largely political reasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_r...
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