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Been self-hosting for a few weeks, and it's working exactly as expected. I find Slack to be slightly more reactive but not by much (I'm comparing a company-wide

by rakoo 7y ago

Been self-hosting for a few weeks, and it's working exactly as expected. I find Slack to be slightly more reactive but not by much (I'm comparing a company-wide workspace of ~10 actually active people, vs a little channel of ~5 actually active people). Personally though I can't stand the conversation view in Riot, the spacing between the nickname, the avatar and the text feels just wrong and I can't see in a glance who is talking and says what (yes, even with the compact view). It's minor, but it's the one I have under my eyes at all times so it's there. For now I'm using another snappier client (https://neo.pixie.town/ https://neo.pixie.town/) because of this issue. Apart from this client-specific issue that doesn't say anything about the protocol itself, everything is fine. The one thing I'm waiting for is rooms where participants are hidden, so that you actually get closer to a pubsub system. I have some ideas I want to try and play with, but this is needed if you want to keep some privacy

Arathorn 7y ago
> Personally though I can't stand the conversation view in Riot, the spacing between the nickname, the avatar and the text feels just wrong Does https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/4531 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/4531 look any better? O:-) > The one thing I'm waiting for is rooms where participants are hidden, so that you actually get closer to a pubsub system. This is surprisingly hard (if you don't know what users are in a room, how do you know what servers to send messages to?) but we can provide at least a cosmetic solution (have the server filter out members below a given power level when relaying to the client). https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/6417 https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/6417 is the bug to upvote :)
- godelski 7y ago
  Not the parent, but I do think that looks better. I do think their client looks better than that, though. I'm a big fan of dark themes.
- rakoo 7y ago
  > Does https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/4531 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/4531 look any better? O:-) Hey that's actually kinda sexy ! I'm not looking specifically for IRC-style <timestamp/nick/message>, I do like it when it takes a bit more space for the user, but I find this rendering nice to the eyes. In the quote though, why is the user cast away on the right ? Would be more consistent to put it right next to the timestamp of the quoted text Also, the nick is chopped at the end without any indicator that it is (like a [...] at the end or something) All nitpicking, I know, I'll try this as soon as it lands because I already like it :) > https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/6417 https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/6417 is the bug to upvote :) I'm following it closely ! I can't wait to experiment around that, Matrix.org can be and needs to be much more than just a messaging protocol, there's everything needed to get rid of centralized silos of (micro-)blogging, status- or photo-based social networks, ... BTW thank you for doing this and thank you for leading it all the way to it is today and to where it's gonna be tomorrow, there's a reason protocols fail or succeed and it's often not in the technical intricacies but definitely in the leadership that spearheads its spread. Matrix seems to be the one that has the biggest momentum for now :)
  - Arathorn 7y ago
    > In the quote though, why is the user cast away on the right ? > Also, the nick is chopped at the end without any indicator that it is (like a [...] at the end or something) These were just bugs in the first cut. I'll spin up a dev client and grab a screenshot of the final version (i think dev finished on it today!) > BTW thank you for doing this np. I just hope we realise the full potential of the project :) For what it's worth, I hope that Matrix can be to Slack/Discord what Linux was to Solaris/AIX. So, we just need to not screw up...
  - opan 7y ago
    That looks a lot better, but I'd also like to be able to have timestamps and nicks on every line, like when the same person says 3 things in a row. This way if the first message were bumped off the screen, you don't have to scroll around to see who said it. (like irssi, hexchat, etc.)
- bhauer 7y ago
  > Does https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/4531 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/4531 look any better? O:-) Substantially better than the default Riot layout. I hope this gets merged and I get to switch to this soon. That said, I'd still like a more compact version of the same that further reduces the spacing/padding to make more information fit on a single screen.
- a1369209993 7y ago
  > > The one thing I'm waiting for is rooms where participants are hidden, so that you actually get closer to a pubsub system. > This is surprisingly hard (if you don't know what users are in a room, how do you know what servers to send messages to?) Can you expand on what your threat model is in this case? Because I assumed rakoo was just talking about a cosmetic change (possibly coupled with allowing pseudonymous users with low (read-only) permission levels, but you'd have to go out of your way to break that).

by rakoo 7y ago

Arathorn 7y ago

> Personally though I can't stand the conversation view in Riot, the spacing between the nickname, the avatar and the text feels just wrong Does https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/4531 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/4531 look any better? O:-) > The one thing I'm waiting for is rooms where participants are hidden, so that you actually get closer to a pubsub system. This is surprisingly hard (if you don't know what users are in a room, how do you know what servers to send messages to?) but we can provide at least a cosmetic solution (have the server filter out members below a given power level when relaying to the client). https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/6417 https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/6417 is the bug to upvote :)

godelski 7y ago
Not the parent, but I do think that looks better. I do think their client looks better than that, though. I'm a big fan of dark themes.
rakoo 7y ago
> Does https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/4531 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/4531 look any better? O:-) Hey that's actually kinda sexy ! I'm not looking specifically for IRC-style <timestamp/nick/message>, I do like it when it takes a bit more space for the user, but I find this rendering nice to the eyes. In the quote though, why is the user cast away on the right ? Would be more consistent to put it right next to the timestamp of the quoted text Also, the nick is chopped at the end without any indicator that it is (like a [...] at the end or something) All nitpicking, I know, I'll try this as soon as it lands because I already like it :) > https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/6417 https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/6417 is the bug to upvote :) I'm following it closely ! I can't wait to experiment around that, Matrix.org can be and needs to be much more than just a messaging protocol, there's everything needed to get rid of centralized silos of (micro-)blogging, status- or photo-based social networks, ... BTW thank you for doing this and thank you for leading it all the way to it is today and to where it's gonna be tomorrow, there's a reason protocols fail or succeed and it's often not in the technical intricacies but definitely in the leadership that spearheads its spread. Matrix seems to be the one that has the biggest momentum for now :)
- Arathorn 7y ago
  > In the quote though, why is the user cast away on the right ? > Also, the nick is chopped at the end without any indicator that it is (like a [...] at the end or something) These were just bugs in the first cut. I'll spin up a dev client and grab a screenshot of the final version (i think dev finished on it today!) > BTW thank you for doing this np. I just hope we realise the full potential of the project :) For what it's worth, I hope that Matrix can be to Slack/Discord what Linux was to Solaris/AIX. So, we just need to not screw up...
- opan 7y ago
  That looks a lot better, but I'd also like to be able to have timestamps and nicks on every line, like when the same person says 3 things in a row. This way if the first message were bumped off the screen, you don't have to scroll around to see who said it. (like irssi, hexchat, etc.)
bhauer 7y ago
> Does https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/4531 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/4531 look any better? O:-) Substantially better than the default Riot layout. I hope this gets merged and I get to switch to this soon. That said, I'd still like a more compact version of the same that further reduces the spacing/padding to make more information fit on a single screen.
a1369209993 7y ago
> > The one thing I'm waiting for is rooms where participants are hidden, so that you actually get closer to a pubsub system. > This is surprisingly hard (if you don't know what users are in a room, how do you know what servers to send messages to?) Can you expand on what your threat model is in this case? Because I assumed rakoo was just talking about a cosmetic change (possibly coupled with allowing pseudonymous users with low (read-only) permission levels, but you'd have to go out of your way to break that).