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Freedom must always be balanced by responsibility. If you are free to own a weapon you must be responsible for its use/misuse. If you are free to drive a car, y

by foxyv 7y ago

Freedom must always be balanced by responsibility. If you are free to own a weapon you must be responsible for its use/misuse. If you are free to drive a car, you are responsible for the consequences of hurting someone or damaging their property with it. Freedom is for those who are brave enough to act in a responsible manner and deal with the consequences of their actions. It is not for criminals, the intentionally ignorant, the negligent, or the corrupt.

jokit 7y ago
That is correct. Freedom and responsibility cannot be separated.
- Klinky 7y ago
  Enforcement of responsibility is practically counter to the concepts of absolute freedoms. "There is no freedom lunch".
  - jokit 7y ago
    There is no need for more "enforcement" of responsibility than what is. Ostracism, and/or starving, freezing, being shot, to death, etc., is sufficient. Government is the disease posing as the cure. Government doesn't "enforce" responsibility. Despite what they're selling, TANSTAAFL. Freedom and responsibility can not be separated, and there is no need or want for artificially added, or subtracted, responsibility. For those in the US who disagree, they should be thankful that they're still free to leave, and go anywhere else that doesn't exist for the sole purpose of protecting the rights of the individual. It is inappropriate to stay in the US, or worse come to the US, and try to violate the rights of the individual because you're too afraid of freedom, or the inherent responsibility.
    - Klinky 7y ago
      There is always some form of governance occurring, depending on who thinks they are in charge, even if it's not a state. You seem to be advocating for vigilante justice as an enforcement method, which definitely has downsides, just like everything else. Pure freedom is not beautifully perfect and without flaw.
      - jokit 7y ago
        Utopia is not an option, don't fall for the fallacy. Americans believe that freedom is the best option we have. Vigilante justice is the only possible justice. Again, the universe has it's own "enforcement method". Anyone who claims anything doesn't have "downsides" is selling something. Whether you agree or not, objectively, the United States is for people who value freedom above everything else. Those too afraid to live freely should live anywhere else.

by foxyv 7y ago

jokit 7y ago

That is correct. Freedom and responsibility cannot be separated.

Klinky 7y ago
Enforcement of responsibility is practically counter to the concepts of absolute freedoms. "There is no freedom lunch".
- jokit 7y ago
  There is no need for more "enforcement" of responsibility than what is. Ostracism, and/or starving, freezing, being shot, to death, etc., is sufficient. Government is the disease posing as the cure. Government doesn't "enforce" responsibility. Despite what they're selling, TANSTAAFL. Freedom and responsibility can not be separated, and there is no need or want for artificially added, or subtracted, responsibility. For those in the US who disagree, they should be thankful that they're still free to leave, and go anywhere else that doesn't exist for the sole purpose of protecting the rights of the individual. It is inappropriate to stay in the US, or worse come to the US, and try to violate the rights of the individual because you're too afraid of freedom, or the inherent responsibility.
  - Klinky 7y ago
    There is always some form of governance occurring, depending on who thinks they are in charge, even if it's not a state. You seem to be advocating for vigilante justice as an enforcement method, which definitely has downsides, just like everything else. Pure freedom is not beautifully perfect and without flaw.
    - jokit 7y ago
      Utopia is not an option, don't fall for the fallacy. Americans believe that freedom is the best option we have. Vigilante justice is the only possible justice. Again, the universe has it's own "enforcement method". Anyone who claims anything doesn't have "downsides" is selling something. Whether you agree or not, objectively, the United States is for people who value freedom above everything else. Those too afraid to live freely should live anywhere else.