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I think there are more important things than compassion, e.g. work/status, marriage and family. These are also easy to measure and to enforce by comparison. How

I think there are more important things than compassion, e.g. work/status, marriage and family. These are also easy to measure and to enforce by comparison. How do you force everyone to be nice? And is that worth it? Is the threat of being sued for "not being nice enough" an improvement for society? I doubt it. Children being treated nicely actually predicts worse, not better outcome. https://econtent.hogrefe.com/doi/full/10.1027/2512-8442/a000011 https://econtent.hogrefe.com/doi/full/10.1027/2512-8442/a000...

catalogia 6y ago
> How do you force everyone to be nice? > Is the threat of being sued for "not being nice enough" an improvement for society? I never said anything about force, nor certainly anything about suing people for not being nice (which is so ridiculous it barely warrants a response...) You're reading a great deal more into what I said than what I actually said, and in a very uncharitable way. > I think there are more important things than compassion, e.g. work/status, marriage and family Smart people will be more likely to support social policies that help people in those regards if they are taught to be compassionate from a young age. I'm earnestly surprised to receive pushback on what I'm suggesting, and it's probably because you don't understand what I'm suggesting. Maybe providing a concrete example of what I propose will help you understand what I mean: one possibility is to encourage clever kids to participate in intellectually inclusive extramural activities where they can form social bonds with people less clever than themselves. Track and field or the swim team are two good options, contrasted with science olympiad (which is generally inaccessible to dull children.)
- longtom 6y ago
  The simplest rule is people should cohabit peacefully. AFAIK there is no evidence that this is enabled by more exposure. People assort themselves by IQ for a good reason: Most people have a natural desire to dominate and the lower IQ person would always loose which is no fun to them.
  - catalogia 6y ago
    > Most people have a natural desire to dominate and the lower IQ person would always loose which is no fun to them. IQ won't help you swim faster, so no. Attitudes such as yours are what I'd hope to mitigate by encouraging children to socialize with people outside their intellectual class.
    - longtom 6y ago
      I'm not seeing much evidence for this being helpful. Inclusion attempts I've seen where largely failures and there were no pilot projects so it seems all of this was seemingly (well-intentioned) politicking.

catalogia 6y ago

> How do you force everyone to be nice? > Is the threat of being sued for "not being nice enough" an improvement for society? I never said anything about force, nor certainly anything about suing people for not being nice (which is so ridiculous it barely warrants a response...) You're reading a great deal more into what I said than what I actually said, and in a very uncharitable way. > I think there are more important things than compassion, e.g. work/status, marriage and family Smart people will be more likely to support social policies that help people in those regards if they are taught to be compassionate from a young age. I'm earnestly surprised to receive pushback on what I'm suggesting, and it's probably because you don't understand what I'm suggesting. Maybe providing a concrete example of what I propose will help you understand what I mean: one possibility is to encourage clever kids to participate in intellectually inclusive extramural activities where they can form social bonds with people less clever than themselves. Track and field or the swim team are two good options, contrasted with science olympiad (which is generally inaccessible to dull children.)

longtom 6y ago
The simplest rule is people should cohabit peacefully. AFAIK there is no evidence that this is enabled by more exposure. People assort themselves by IQ for a good reason: Most people have a natural desire to dominate and the lower IQ person would always loose which is no fun to them.
- catalogia 6y ago
  > Most people have a natural desire to dominate and the lower IQ person would always loose which is no fun to them. IQ won't help you swim faster, so no. Attitudes such as yours are what I'd hope to mitigate by encouraging children to socialize with people outside their intellectual class.
  - longtom 6y ago
    I'm not seeing much evidence for this being helpful. Inclusion attempts I've seen where largely failures and there were no pilot projects so it seems all of this was seemingly (well-intentioned) politicking.