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> Enable them to collect benefits: pay for them to buy food, cancel their rent payments, cover their healthcare. > It's not hard, we just have a weird culture

> Enable them to collect benefits: pay for them to buy food, cancel their rent payments, cover their healthcare. > It's not hard, we just have a weird culture in America that couples all these basic human essentials to your work. The requests for these things have already been made and are not reasonably being acted on.

wbronitsky 6y ago
> The requests for these things have already been made and are not reasonably being acted on. Is your argument that we should then give up, force people to go back to work and die? That’s a hilarious failure of imagination; are there actually 0 other solutions? We can do way better than this line of reasoning.
- generalpass 6y ago
  > Is your argument that we should then give up, force people to go back to work and die? That’s a hilarious failure of imagination; are there actually 0 other solutions? > We can do way better than this line of reasoning This is a strawman, because opening the economy does not include "force people to go back to work and die". The demonstration of this frankly juvenile reasoning is why I stated please don't go off-topic, because you clearly want to change the topic away from people who are being blocked from feeding themselves. Please make an attempt to address the topic.
  - wbronitsky 6y ago
    You just don’t like my response so instead of responding to me you chastise me and call me names. It seems a bit ironic to do such a thing by calling me “juvenile.” I tend not to enjoy discussions where the other party mandates what I can and cannot talk about; I would assume most people feel the same way. I don’t have to discuss the extremely narrow view you have; you cannot my force my views. Tell the NYC transportation workers who died that going to work isn’t a life or death situation. It would seem to me that people are being blocked from spreading a virus that kills people. I’m willing to bet that the “greatest country in the world” can figure out how to feed its population without sending them into grave danger. Again, though, these solutions do need imagination.
    - generalpass 6y ago
      > You just don’t like my response so instead of responding to me you chastise me and call me names. It seems a bit ironic to do such a thing by calling me “juvenile.” > I tend not to enjoy discussions where the other party mandates what I can and cannot talk about; I would assume most people feel the same way. I don’t have to discuss the extremely narrow view you have; you cannot my force my views. > Tell the NYC transportation workers who died that going to work isn’t a life or death situation. It would seem to me that people are being blocked from spreading a virus that kills people. I’m willing to bet that the “greatest country in the world” can figure out how to feed its population without sending them into grave danger. Again, though, these solutions do need imagination. I did no name-calling. What I did was categorize the presented reasoning and call you out. You still continue to insert strawman arguments and bombast.
Pfhreak 6y ago
So make them demands, not requests. Organize collective action like rent strikes.

wbronitsky 6y ago

> The requests for these things have already been made and are not reasonably being acted on. Is your argument that we should then give up, force people to go back to work and die? That’s a hilarious failure of imagination; are there actually 0 other solutions? We can do way better than this line of reasoning.

generalpass 6y ago
> Is your argument that we should then give up, force people to go back to work and die? That’s a hilarious failure of imagination; are there actually 0 other solutions? > We can do way better than this line of reasoning This is a strawman, because opening the economy does not include "force people to go back to work and die". The demonstration of this frankly juvenile reasoning is why I stated please don't go off-topic, because you clearly want to change the topic away from people who are being blocked from feeding themselves. Please make an attempt to address the topic.
- wbronitsky 6y ago
  You just don’t like my response so instead of responding to me you chastise me and call me names. It seems a bit ironic to do such a thing by calling me “juvenile.” I tend not to enjoy discussions where the other party mandates what I can and cannot talk about; I would assume most people feel the same way. I don’t have to discuss the extremely narrow view you have; you cannot my force my views. Tell the NYC transportation workers who died that going to work isn’t a life or death situation. It would seem to me that people are being blocked from spreading a virus that kills people. I’m willing to bet that the “greatest country in the world” can figure out how to feed its population without sending them into grave danger. Again, though, these solutions do need imagination.
  - generalpass 6y ago
    > You just don’t like my response so instead of responding to me you chastise me and call me names. It seems a bit ironic to do such a thing by calling me “juvenile.” > I tend not to enjoy discussions where the other party mandates what I can and cannot talk about; I would assume most people feel the same way. I don’t have to discuss the extremely narrow view you have; you cannot my force my views. > Tell the NYC transportation workers who died that going to work isn’t a life or death situation. It would seem to me that people are being blocked from spreading a virus that kills people. I’m willing to bet that the “greatest country in the world” can figure out how to feed its population without sending them into grave danger. Again, though, these solutions do need imagination. I did no name-calling. What I did was categorize the presented reasoning and call you out. You still continue to insert strawman arguments and bombast.

Pfhreak 6y ago

So make them demands, not requests. Organize collective action like rent strikes.