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If your concern is the lack of obscurity as an added security layer, you can look up "security through obscurity". It has a Wikipedia entry[^1]. If your concer

If your concern is the lack of obscurity as an added security layer, you can look up "security through obscurity". It has a Wikipedia entry[^1]. If your concern is about the marketability of your application if the code is open source, you can read more here[^2]. [^1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity [^2]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_models_for_open-source_software https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_models_for_open-sou...

ge96 7y ago
I guess obscurity in my case would buy me time if anything before vulnerabilities are found if anyone tries. I just think if your code is fully open, then anyone can be like "Oh he's not aware of this" and then boom... but if it wasn't open, the threat is still there, guess who knows when it will be found. I was looking at auditing too/maybe some kind of pen testing. I have some time still but yeah.
- Jugurtha 7y ago
  You are trying to come up with a witty come back to an English speaking dragon who's hitting on your pregnant humanoid girlfriend on your way out of a restaurant on Mars. Many things have to happen before we get there, and supposing it ever happens, your response will probably be muffled by a passing rocket. You are thinking about pentesting and auditing code that does not exist, to find vulnerabilities that don't exist yet, not to piss users that don't exist. This is the definition of Aikido. So... Before building the "Software" in the "Software as a Service", first find if there are people who are interested in the "Service". Who are your users and how many have you talked with? Are you your own user?
  - ge96 7y ago
    I wasn't sure if that first part is a quote from somewhere ha. > Aikido really? the martial art? The last bit, I am aware of that "Make a landing page and sell something that doesn't exist" (mailing list/get people signed up) This was a thing I personally would use, but then I saw something out there(Figma) that's way better than I could ever hope to make wow... the art alone just wow. Anyway I have some other personal projects but they're nothing... I'm also aware of "competition can be good, means there's a market". I scour the indie hackers site/listen to entrepreneurs etc... The truth is... I don't have a product... I'm unfortunately not that guy and I don't know why. I think I'm not around people enough or something where an obvious problem can present itself. So at this time I'm just the guy people tell/ask to build stuff. I find it interesting though, I go on a freelancing/outsourcing site and there are all these random projects "I need so and so to build this" And I know... you want to incrementally release, even if it means potentially building in tech debt. I am working on an app and I made a bad decision on a storage but this thing was released/prototyped in weeks vs. the years it was getting worked on. I don't know, I hope I figure something out because I do want to work for myself eventually.
    - Jugurtha 7y ago
      >really? the martial art? No, the thing people who don't want to do martial arts do with friends who fall and roll ovef on cue. >The last bit, I am aware of that "Make a landing page and sell something that doesn't exist" (mailing list/get people signed up) I wouldn't do that, but to each their own. >This was a thing I personally would use, but then I saw something out there(Figma) that's way better than I could ever hope to make wow... the art alone just wow. Have you thought of joining them? >Anyway I have some other personal projects but they're nothing You don't know. Finding and evaluating ideas is the subject of many writings. >The truth is... I don't have a product... I'm unfortunately not that guy and I don't know why. You're not which guy, exactly? >I think I'm not around people enough or something where an obvious problem can present itself. So at this time I'm just the guy people tell/ask to build stuff. We have profitably executed ML projects for large organizations, from problem scoping, to data acquisition and sometimes building hardware for that, to model training, to building a custom enterprise application to load and use these models, to the mobile app that goes with it. Being the company clients tell/ask to build stuff across several sectors through the years exposed "meta problems", and now we're building a product to solve these problems. So, you're the guy people tell/ask to build stuff and that gives you data, and it is up to you to extract insights and develop product. I'm sure you presented work to someone and they didn't care, except for the thing that took you a couple of hours to write. Also, maybe you can start a company and build things for enterprise, not as a natural person, but as a legal person. It's not `ge96` that will do the project, it's `ACME, LLC/LTD/s.a.r.l/GmbH`. This could give you a cushion while you figure things out. >I don't know, I hope I figure something out because I do want to work for myself eventually. Well, running a company means you work for everyone.
      - ge96 6y ago
        > Have you thought of joining them? Haha JOIN US... that's an interesting thought, I don't know, overall it's not my thing, but it's pretty cool/impressive how close it is to a working app. > You're not which guy, exactly? The idea guy, you know, the guy with the plan, delegates to people like me who make the plan into code. I don't know what is the value/the thing to solve. Man that sounds awesome the ML stuff, I have not gotten into that at all yet other than watching some basic talks. > maybe you can start a company and build things for enterprise That is a thought, isn't that funny, like when I was working for a web agency, there was the fancy/flashy boss but it was me that actually made the thing. Granted the boss is who sold the idea to the client. > Well, running a company means you work for everyone. Yeah, I mean savings/investment return, then my own schedule, do whatever I fancy... that sort of thing. FiRe + a couple companies. I see your point though, and you don't have anyone to hide behind maybe the LLC at the very least. Thanks

ge96 7y ago

I guess obscurity in my case would buy me time if anything before vulnerabilities are found if anyone tries. I just think if your code is fully open, then anyone can be like "Oh he's not aware of this" and then boom... but if it wasn't open, the threat is still there, guess who knows when it will be found. I was looking at auditing too/maybe some kind of pen testing. I have some time still but yeah.

Jugurtha 7y ago
You are trying to come up with a witty come back to an English speaking dragon who's hitting on your pregnant humanoid girlfriend on your way out of a restaurant on Mars. Many things have to happen before we get there, and supposing it ever happens, your response will probably be muffled by a passing rocket. You are thinking about pentesting and auditing code that does not exist, to find vulnerabilities that don't exist yet, not to piss users that don't exist. This is the definition of Aikido. So... Before building the "Software" in the "Software as a Service", first find if there are people who are interested in the "Service". Who are your users and how many have you talked with? Are you your own user?
- ge96 7y ago
  I wasn't sure if that first part is a quote from somewhere ha. > Aikido really? the martial art? The last bit, I am aware of that "Make a landing page and sell something that doesn't exist" (mailing list/get people signed up) This was a thing I personally would use, but then I saw something out there(Figma) that's way better than I could ever hope to make wow... the art alone just wow. Anyway I have some other personal projects but they're nothing... I'm also aware of "competition can be good, means there's a market". I scour the indie hackers site/listen to entrepreneurs etc... The truth is... I don't have a product... I'm unfortunately not that guy and I don't know why. I think I'm not around people enough or something where an obvious problem can present itself. So at this time I'm just the guy people tell/ask to build stuff. I find it interesting though, I go on a freelancing/outsourcing site and there are all these random projects "I need so and so to build this" And I know... you want to incrementally release, even if it means potentially building in tech debt. I am working on an app and I made a bad decision on a storage but this thing was released/prototyped in weeks vs. the years it was getting worked on. I don't know, I hope I figure something out because I do want to work for myself eventually.
  - Jugurtha 7y ago
    >really? the martial art? No, the thing people who don't want to do martial arts do with friends who fall and roll ovef on cue. >The last bit, I am aware of that "Make a landing page and sell something that doesn't exist" (mailing list/get people signed up) I wouldn't do that, but to each their own. >This was a thing I personally would use, but then I saw something out there(Figma) that's way better than I could ever hope to make wow... the art alone just wow. Have you thought of joining them? >Anyway I have some other personal projects but they're nothing You don't know. Finding and evaluating ideas is the subject of many writings. >The truth is... I don't have a product... I'm unfortunately not that guy and I don't know why. You're not which guy, exactly? >I think I'm not around people enough or something where an obvious problem can present itself. So at this time I'm just the guy people tell/ask to build stuff. We have profitably executed ML projects for large organizations, from problem scoping, to data acquisition and sometimes building hardware for that, to model training, to building a custom enterprise application to load and use these models, to the mobile app that goes with it. Being the company clients tell/ask to build stuff across several sectors through the years exposed "meta problems", and now we're building a product to solve these problems. So, you're the guy people tell/ask to build stuff and that gives you data, and it is up to you to extract insights and develop product. I'm sure you presented work to someone and they didn't care, except for the thing that took you a couple of hours to write. Also, maybe you can start a company and build things for enterprise, not as a natural person, but as a legal person. It's not `ge96` that will do the project, it's `ACME, LLC/LTD/s.a.r.l/GmbH`. This could give you a cushion while you figure things out. >I don't know, I hope I figure something out because I do want to work for myself eventually. Well, running a company means you work for everyone.
    - ge96 6y ago
      > Have you thought of joining them? Haha JOIN US... that's an interesting thought, I don't know, overall it's not my thing, but it's pretty cool/impressive how close it is to a working app. > You're not which guy, exactly? The idea guy, you know, the guy with the plan, delegates to people like me who make the plan into code. I don't know what is the value/the thing to solve. Man that sounds awesome the ML stuff, I have not gotten into that at all yet other than watching some basic talks. > maybe you can start a company and build things for enterprise That is a thought, isn't that funny, like when I was working for a web agency, there was the fancy/flashy boss but it was me that actually made the thing. Granted the boss is who sold the idea to the client. > Well, running a company means you work for everyone. Yeah, I mean savings/investment return, then my own schedule, do whatever I fancy... that sort of thing. FiRe + a couple companies. I see your point though, and you don't have anyone to hide behind maybe the LLC at the very least. Thanks