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There are a whole bunch of people who do not qualify for any benefits, have little savings, and are blocked from going to work. In a recent press conference, N

There are a whole bunch of people who do not qualify for any benefits, have little savings, and are blocked from going to work. In a recent press conference, New York Governor Cuomo failed to provide any reasonable response to a reporter when asked about someone in a very similar situation (the person qualified for benefits, but checks have not arrived). What is to happen to these people? Is the lockdown to protect them from something truly worse than not being able to buy food? Anyone care to address this single point without going off-topic?

Pfhreak 6y ago
Enable them to collect benefits: pay for them to buy food, cancel their rent payments, cover their healthcare. It's not hard, we just have a weird culture in America that couples all these basic human essentials to your work.
- generalpass 6y ago
  > Enable them to collect benefits: pay for them to buy food, cancel their rent payments, cover their healthcare. > It's not hard, we just have a weird culture in America that couples all these basic human essentials to your work. The requests for these things have already been made and are not reasonably being acted on.
  - wbronitsky 6y ago
    > The requests for these things have already been made and are not reasonably being acted on. Is your argument that we should then give up, force people to go back to work and die? That’s a hilarious failure of imagination; are there actually 0 other solutions? We can do way better than this line of reasoning.
    - generalpass 6y ago
      > Is your argument that we should then give up, force people to go back to work and die? That’s a hilarious failure of imagination; are there actually 0 other solutions? > We can do way better than this line of reasoning This is a strawman, because opening the economy does not include "force people to go back to work and die". The demonstration of this frankly juvenile reasoning is why I stated please don't go off-topic, because you clearly want to change the topic away from people who are being blocked from feeding themselves. Please make an attempt to address the topic.
      - wbronitsky 6y ago
        You just don’t like my response so instead of responding to me you chastise me and call me names. It seems a bit ironic to do such a thing by calling me “juvenile.” I tend not to enjoy discussions where the other party mandates what I can and cannot talk about; I would assume most people feel the same way. I don’t have to discuss the extremely narrow view you have; you cannot my force my views. Tell the NYC transportation workers who died that going to work isn’t a life or death situation. It would seem to me that people are being blocked from spreading a virus that kills people. I’m willing to bet that the “greatest country in the world” can figure out how to feed its population without sending them into grave danger. Again, though, these solutions do need imagination.
        generalpass 6y ago
        > You just don’t like my response so instead of responding to me you chastise me and call me names. It seems a bit ironic to do such a thing by calling me “juvenile.” > I tend not to enjoy discussions where the other party mandates what I can and cannot talk about; I would assume most people feel the same way. I don’t have to discuss the extremely narrow view you have; you cannot my force my views. > Tell the NYC transportation workers who died that going to work isn’t a life or death situation. It would seem to me that people are being blocked from spreading a virus that kills people. I’m willing to bet that the “greatest country in the world” can figure out how to feed its population without sending them into grave danger. Again, though, these solutions do need imagination. I did no name-calling. What I did was categorize the presented reasoning and call you out. You still continue to insert strawman arguments and bombast.
  - Pfhreak 6y ago
    So make them demands, not requests. Organize collective action like rent strikes.

Pfhreak 6y ago

Enable them to collect benefits: pay for them to buy food, cancel their rent payments, cover their healthcare. It's not hard, we just have a weird culture in America that couples all these basic human essentials to your work.

generalpass 6y ago
> Enable them to collect benefits: pay for them to buy food, cancel their rent payments, cover their healthcare. > It's not hard, we just have a weird culture in America that couples all these basic human essentials to your work. The requests for these things have already been made and are not reasonably being acted on.
- wbronitsky 6y ago
  > The requests for these things have already been made and are not reasonably being acted on. Is your argument that we should then give up, force people to go back to work and die? That’s a hilarious failure of imagination; are there actually 0 other solutions? We can do way better than this line of reasoning.
  - generalpass 6y ago
    > Is your argument that we should then give up, force people to go back to work and die? That’s a hilarious failure of imagination; are there actually 0 other solutions? > We can do way better than this line of reasoning This is a strawman, because opening the economy does not include "force people to go back to work and die". The demonstration of this frankly juvenile reasoning is why I stated please don't go off-topic, because you clearly want to change the topic away from people who are being blocked from feeding themselves. Please make an attempt to address the topic.
    - wbronitsky 6y ago
      You just don’t like my response so instead of responding to me you chastise me and call me names. It seems a bit ironic to do such a thing by calling me “juvenile.” I tend not to enjoy discussions where the other party mandates what I can and cannot talk about; I would assume most people feel the same way. I don’t have to discuss the extremely narrow view you have; you cannot my force my views. Tell the NYC transportation workers who died that going to work isn’t a life or death situation. It would seem to me that people are being blocked from spreading a virus that kills people. I’m willing to bet that the “greatest country in the world” can figure out how to feed its population without sending them into grave danger. Again, though, these solutions do need imagination.
      - generalpass 6y ago
        > You just don’t like my response so instead of responding to me you chastise me and call me names. It seems a bit ironic to do such a thing by calling me “juvenile.” > I tend not to enjoy discussions where the other party mandates what I can and cannot talk about; I would assume most people feel the same way. I don’t have to discuss the extremely narrow view you have; you cannot my force my views. > Tell the NYC transportation workers who died that going to work isn’t a life or death situation. It would seem to me that people are being blocked from spreading a virus that kills people. I’m willing to bet that the “greatest country in the world” can figure out how to feed its population without sending them into grave danger. Again, though, these solutions do need imagination. I did no name-calling. What I did was categorize the presented reasoning and call you out. You still continue to insert strawman arguments and bombast.
- Pfhreak 6y ago
  So make them demands, not requests. Organize collective action like rent strikes.