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> If they can do it to Microsoft, they can do it to anyone else who has a GitHub account. It happened to Cisco as well a while back, I have a copy of that sour

by Drip33 6y ago

> If they can do it to Microsoft, they can do it to anyone else who has a GitHub account. It happened to Cisco as well a while back, I have a copy of that source somewhere.

jacquesm 6y ago
You probably shouldn't readily confess to hoarding stolen property in an online forum.
- Drip33 6y ago
  Not a crime to possess information, not property, that was illegally obtained in either USA or my own country provided you didn't counsel or encourage the original theft.
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    The fact that you did not commit the initial theft does not put you in the clear. Source: a lawsuit that I won with exactly that theme. I don't know where you are but the bulk of the jurisdictions would not look favorable upon you. I agree that your loose interpretation of the law might work out in your favor. But just like downloading copyrighted material is illegal so is downloading copyrighted data from a source that you know does not have the option to legally give you a license to copy or use that data. So from one aspect of the law you are in the clear, from another this is an open-and-shut case of copyright violation and on top of that you will have to work real hard to prove that you weren't the one to steal it in the first place using the 'upload to someplace anonymous, then download it again' trick to whitewash the data. Some risks are worth taking, this particular one I'd think long and hard about it if the counterparty is the proverbial 800 pound gorilla.
    - Drip33 6y ago
      >The fact that you did not commit the initial theft does not put you in the clear. Source: a lawsuit that I won with exactly that theme. In terms of criminal law, it is favorable to me. Source: I was criminally accused and have a court judgement clearing me of wrongdoing for possessing information that was stolen by 3rd parties and published online before I obtained it. >So from one aspect of the law you are in the clear, from another this is an open-and-shut case of copyright violation I am satisfied that merely possessing stolen information and not distributing or profiting from it is not a copyright violation if the source code can even be copyrighted. >But just like downloading copyrighted material is illegal so is downloading copyrighted data from a source that you know does not have the option to legally give you a license to copy or use that data I have not agreed to be bound by any licenses from Cisco before downloading the data nor did I necessarily know what it was before downloading a zip from a file sharing site. I'm happy to discuss this over email if you want me to reach out for debate.

by Drip33 6y ago

> If they can do it to Microsoft, they can do it to anyone else who has a GitHub account. It happened to Cisco as well a while back, I have a copy of that source somewhere.

jacquesm 6y ago

You probably shouldn't readily confess to hoarding stolen property in an online forum.

Drip33 6y ago
Not a crime to possess information, not property, that was illegally obtained in either USA or my own country provided you didn't counsel or encourage the original theft.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  The fact that you did not commit the initial theft does not put you in the clear. Source: a lawsuit that I won with exactly that theme. I don't know where you are but the bulk of the jurisdictions would not look favorable upon you. I agree that your loose interpretation of the law might work out in your favor. But just like downloading copyrighted material is illegal so is downloading copyrighted data from a source that you know does not have the option to legally give you a license to copy or use that data. So from one aspect of the law you are in the clear, from another this is an open-and-shut case of copyright violation and on top of that you will have to work real hard to prove that you weren't the one to steal it in the first place using the 'upload to someplace anonymous, then download it again' trick to whitewash the data. Some risks are worth taking, this particular one I'd think long and hard about it if the counterparty is the proverbial 800 pound gorilla.
  - Drip33 6y ago
    >The fact that you did not commit the initial theft does not put you in the clear. Source: a lawsuit that I won with exactly that theme. In terms of criminal law, it is favorable to me. Source: I was criminally accused and have a court judgement clearing me of wrongdoing for possessing information that was stolen by 3rd parties and published online before I obtained it. >So from one aspect of the law you are in the clear, from another this is an open-and-shut case of copyright violation I am satisfied that merely possessing stolen information and not distributing or profiting from it is not a copyright violation if the source code can even be copyrighted. >But just like downloading copyrighted material is illegal so is downloading copyrighted data from a source that you know does not have the option to legally give you a license to copy or use that data I have not agreed to be bound by any licenses from Cisco before downloading the data nor did I necessarily know what it was before downloading a zip from a file sharing site. I'm happy to discuss this over email if you want me to reach out for debate.